Het Volk 11
Pain in the ass, not over yet, but post the things I've done so people can complain.
Main sources
Het Volk homepage: For length etc.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorie: ... elgi%C3%AB
http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme
And Aywailles work from 2010 see his posts in this thread.
Possible problems: The pavé seem to be rated fairly high. I really don't have a clue how they compare to Paris-Roubaix... 2 different organisers probably don't use the same scale. Could be that their 4 stars would be a 3 star in PR...
For the moment I just take the RVV rating. Other opinions would be very welcome though.
Pavé 1: Haaghoek:
2010: -202+202
2011:-401 400
More cobbles, source
http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-pav ... 0/haaghoek
Flanders site, ok, Het Volk says 2000 meters, they say 1700m, but it's the same, they give it 4 stars, ok.
Change in % is just what my measurement gave.
Helling 1: Ten Bosse
450m long (average: 6,9%, max.: 8,7%)
km: 236
RSF 2010: 6
2011: copied from 2010
Helling 2: Guilleminlaan
2600 meters long, no other info
Seems to go up only 64 meters in those 2,6 Km
3-3-1 for me... strange that that qualifies as a helling, if somebody knows more enlighten me.
Helling 3 Eikenmolen
610m with an average of 5,9%
Max.: 12%
RSF 2010: 6
2011: 6
Helling 4: Kruisberg:
Change from Aywailles 10 version
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruisberg_%28Ronse%29
http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-pav ... /kruisberg
Here you see the version with pavé, Oudestraat or whatever it's called. Het Volk takes the newer road, no pavé. And the climb at the bottom different too, not from the city center but from the east. It's less steep. So
2011: 2-6
Pavé 2:
11. Donderij + Hof te Fiennestraat: First mystery according to their map they don't pass the second road... but ok, maybe the end of Donderij is called Hof bla bla.
800m + 300m
http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-pav ... s/donderij
rated as 4. It's longer too 1500 a bit mysterious, but will stick to one Km.
2011: 402
Helling 5 Taaienberg
http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-pav ... Taaienberg
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taaienberg
According to the Het Volk site 530 meters 6,6% which is actually what the rvv numbers give if you calculate them
Last year 6 and 2 pavé
2011: 206, the same.
Helling 6: Eikenberg
Get the links yourself
2011: 206, like 2010
Helling 7 Wolvenberg
2011: 8, like 2010
Pavé 3:
Holleweg
http://rvv.be/fr/tourisme/pentes-et-pav ... 1/Holleweg
IMO the other way around from here. And 2400 meters they say, so
2011: 401 -401 -202
2400 meters so I use the Skullmethod and give half the pavé for the next km.
Helling 8: Leberg
Same as 2010: 6%
Helling 9: Looking at the picture at the RVV Site, decided that was more than a * pavé. Even if it's only 300 meters long, the mountain itself is only 463 too, 7% average, keep it at 7, so don't cut the pavé too much. Could have gone for ***, but because it's not the full length of the climb went for **
RSF 2010 107
RSF 2011: 207
Pavé 4: Bostekrouterstraat 300 meters, Start Km 172.7 No mention about the state of the pavé, I assume it's *** why later
Pavé 5: Paddestraat: RVV link says 3, so be it. 2300 meters. Start 173.7, end 176. obviously
Pavé 6 Liphoovenstraat 1300 meters. *** according to STarts at 176.5, finishes 177.8
So.... all three individually would be fairly easy.
nr 1 *, only 300 meters, can assume it's a 3 like the ones close by.
nr 2 *, ***, *** 300 meters in one km, so 1, then 3
nr 3 either *, *** or **, **, 500 Meters of 3=1,5, 800 meters of 3=2,4, so both ok, I would go with * ***
But all three so closely together...
From km 173-178
reality- 700 meters unpaved-300 meters ***, 700 paved- 2300 ***- 500 paved 1300 *** - 200 paved. Total: 2100 meters no pavé, 3900 ***
RSF with above system: 2km * 2 km *** 1 km * 1 km ***
Good? Really no clue on this one, could make it in x different ways and none really is correct.
1. Like above
2 Put nr 4 one km earlier and/or nr 6 one km later to have 1 or 2 one Km breaks in between the sectors. (reality 700 +500 meters)
3 Combine the 300 from nr 4 with the 300 from nr 5 and make it a ** right before nr 5
4: Forget the Skullzmethod, make it * 1km nothing, *** **** nothing ***
5 Same as 4 but add the missing 600 meters as * star each in the 2 sectors
6 Roby reads the whole thing wrong and it's really easy.
No clue, opinions more than welcome. Actually I demand opinions here...
Finally did:
Ok, I finally did
the first * one km ahead. So now km 172 instead of -1 is -103, 173 is -1 instead of -103
Then 174 *-***-***-*-***
Pavé 7: lange Munte 2500 meters no info on the RVV site
Pics here:
http://koenwolk.wordpress.com/2010/02/2 ... nge-munte/
Comparing with pics from the rated sectors on the RVV I'd go with 3
RSF 2011:-201, 302, 300
Pavé 8: Steensomething. 700 meters in the city. 100 is closer to the goal than last year because now it's actually where it is. The pavé stops 1,7 or so km before the end of the stage. 2 at RSF, so 600 meters longer than in reality.