Le Tour 2025

[Hansa]

The official site lists the giving points for every stage:

Points Jersey: 50 pts 30 pts 20 pts 18 pts 16 pts 14 pts 12 pts 10 pts 8 pts 7 pts 6 pts 5 pts 4 pts 3 pts 2 pts
Bonifikationen: 10" 6" 4"
On stages: 1,3,8,9,11,17,21 (would put them as Flat in c4f)

Points Jersey: 30 pts 25 pts 22 pts 19 pts 17 pts 15 pts 13 pts 11 pts 9 pts 7 pts 6 pts 5 pts 4 pts 3 pts 2 pts
Bonifikationen: 10" 6" 4"
On stages 2,4,6,7,15,20 (would put them as Hilly in c4f)

points jersey 20 pts 17 pts 15 pts 13 pts 11 pts 10 pts 9 pts 8 pts 7 pts 6 pts 5 pts 4 pts 3 pts 2 pts 1pt
Bonification: -
On stages 5,13 (would put them as ITT in c4f)

Points jersey: 20 pts 17 pts 15 pts 13 pts 11 pts 10 pts 9 pts 8 pts 7 pts 6 pts 5 pts 4 pts 3 pts 2 pts 1pt
Bonifikationen: 10" 6" 4"
on stages 10,12,14,16,18,19 (would put them as Mountain in c4f)

Points on IS: 20 pts 17 pts 15 pts 13 pts 11 pts 10 pts 9 pts 8 pts 7 pts 6 pts 5 pts 4 pts 3 pts 2 pts 1pt
Bonification: nothing listed here so probably no bonification.

GPM:

4: 1pt
3: 2 pts 1 pt
2: 5 pts 3 pts 2 pts 1 pt
1: 10 pts 8 pts 6 pts 4 pts 2 pts 1 pt
HC: 20 pts 15 pts 12 pts 10 pts 8 pts 6 pts 4 pts 2 pts
Col de la Loze (2 304m) Souvenir Henri Desgrange (HC Final Climb stage 18): 40 pts 30 pts 24 pts 20 pts 16 pts 12 pts 8 pts 4 pts

[Hansa]

Cant find GPX on the official site currently but i found it here:

https://www.cyclingstage.com/tour-de-france-2025-gpx/

[team fl]

Are there already planned times for the TdF?

[Hansa]

Are there already planned times for the TdF?

that is a discussion for the July thread (which is not up yet)

[olmania]

for info, I wont be around for 8-10days, so I won't be able to start the design. I can do a check / give advices about it when I get back.

Important thing to discuss will be the cobble climb of Cassel on stage 1 and stage 3 (different route on stage3; less cobbles there). Similar rating than on Dunkerque (as it's same road as taken previous years) or else ?
Also the new circuit on final stage would need an accurate design (by hand) I think; like the key climbs of each stage, hilly and mountain

[Hansa]

Also the new circuit on final stage would need an accurate design (by hand) I think;

I would like to discuss about this,
its 1.1 kms at 5.9% if we use a 6% there its 99% sure we wont have an MS in Paris
so could we discuss of changing it to a 5% to make the stage result more realistic and offer chances for an MS or do we go straight by percentages?

2nd i heard there is supposed to be pave? la flamme rouge also shows some kind of pave or gravel. official TDF site doesnt list pave so really not sure what we design here.

[Hoefs Cycling Team]

my opinion: 1*cobblestones and 6% is much too heavy: 1*cobblestones 3% Heistse Pijl last June 7 already made many sprinters loose. I am in favor of: 1*cobblestones and 5%, that will not be MS either. Otherwise, the differences between classification riders could also become significant. 1 cobblestones %5 seems to best approximate reality. the cobblestones in the last kilometer are in such good condition that I would ignore them.

[Hansa]

Important thing to discuss will be the cobble climb of Cassel on stage 1 and stage 3 (different route on stage3; less cobbles there). Similar rating than on Dunkerque (as it's same road as taken previous years) or else ?

no pave shown on cote du cassel neither on stage 1 nor on stage 3, no pave shown on the official site or on la flamme rouge

[Tukhtahuaev]

Bis question about the final stage is what kind of stage we can actually expect in real life. Is it even going to be an MS?

[Radunion]

What to expect is the question; it is not much easier than the Olympics (of course, much shorter). Probably, they avoid some trickier technical roads to allow for the big peloton. So, will the agreement not to attack yellow still be valid on this profile, as it is the GC riders most likely to arrive solo or in a late small group.

[Schartner Bombe]

prefer 09.00 for morning

[Pokemon Club]

Important thing to discuss will be the cobble climb of Cassel on stage 1 and stage 3 (different route on stage3; less cobbles there). Similar rating than on Dunkerque (as it's same road as taken previous years) or else ?

no pave shown on cote du cassel neither on stage 1 nor on stage 3, no pave shown on the official site or on la flamme rouge

There is pave on Cassel, look on the roadbook the variant use for Mont Cassel is the one starting by D916 and road D933 which is paved

http://jmpodvin2000.free.fr/denivelleph ... cornet.htm.

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/68051

Check the different photo on google map and you see the cobbles

Stage 3 they arrived from Oxalaere and take D11 after so no cobbles (or really few on the top but they are on D933 for really short so not significant)

[Pokemon Club]

Bis question about the final stage is what kind of stage we can actually expect in real life. Is it even going to be an MS?

You can expect guys like Pogi, Remco, MVDP or Philipsen to win it

[Tukhtahuaev]

I'll start designing here this weekend. I'll start from stage 11 to focus on the decisive gc stages first

[Schartner Bombe]

have time today - will design Stage 1 till Stage 5

[Schartner Bombe]

Et1 Le Tour: Lille - Lille
flat, length 184km, mintact km 169
Mont Cassel with 2km paves as in 2022 design.
I did 3*, 4**

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Et2 Le Tour: Lauwin-Planque - Boulogne-sur-Mer
hilly, length 209km, mintact km194

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Et3 Le Tour: Valenciennes - Dunkerque
flat, length 178km, mintact km168
at Mont Cassel I did no paves, in map on flamme rouge says 400m cobblestones.

[Schartner Bombe]

Et4 Le Tour: Amiens Métropole - Rouen
Have to wait for gpx data. gpx on flammerouge differs to official site profile.

[Schartner Bombe]

Et5 Le Tour: Caen - Caen
ITT
gpx file in flammerouge is named "rumored-stage-5" and looks a bit different to the profile on official website - so I wait for other gpx data.
same at stage 6 and 7 ... others I didnt look at.

[Schartner Bombe]

I stopped at stage 3. No reliable GPX data on Flamme Rouge. If anyone has correct GPX data, please let me know. I can help with the design.
Le Tour tableau is finished - hope everybody - who wants - can work in?

[Hansa]

I stopped at stage 3. No reliable GPX data on Flamme Rouge. If anyone has correct GPX data, please let me know. I can help with the design.
Le Tour tableau is finished - hope everybody - who wants - can work in?

https://www.cyclingstage.com/tour-de-france-2025-gpx/

did you try these GPX data, i cant confirm how reliable these are.

[Schartner Bombe]

Et8 Le Tour: Saint-Méen-le-Grand > Laval
flat, length 170km, mintact km154

[Schartner Bombe]

I stopped at stage 3. No reliable GPX data on Flamme Rouge. If anyone has correct GPX data, please let me know. I can help with the design.
Le Tour tableau is finished - hope everybody - who wants - can work in?

https://www.cyclingstage.com/tour-de-france-2025-gpx/

did you try these GPX data, i cant confirm how reliable these are.

yes was looking on your link also - for Et1-5 was the same.
also the climbs - so I did an "in between" design. Axo climbs are different, but official website is different in-herself-in-between

[Schartner Bombe]

Et9 Le Tour: Chinon > Châteauroux

flat, length 173km, mintact km 163