La Vuelta a España 2022

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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by lennylenny » Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:29 pm

17: 159km middle mountain (Vuelta classifies as flat with uphill finish, Flamme Rouge as middle mountain)
checked results of last year, stages 3 and 6 were flat with uphill finish, stage 3 gave 20-17-15-13-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 while stage 6 gave 30-25-22-19-17-15-13-11-9-7-6-5-4-3-2
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18: 189km mountain
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Hansa » Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:50 pm

lennylenny wrote:
Sun Jul 24, 2022 11:11 am
Stage 9 done, with mountain points still adjusted since Hansa gave a good argument for it (and we had that same adjusted mountain points last year)
will do Stage 17 next
but for this year we have 2 possibilities then we can 1 either keep it as it is and give the 20-15-10-6-4-2 points for the HC categorie and dont have Cat 4 mountains

or 2nd we still shift them down and wont have any Cat 1 mountains then.
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:50 pm

We can streamline that later, no problem.
Not designing today, sleeping, if there's something left for the Vuelta tomorrow again.

I think I will put the Vuelta online very fast, so 25th or 26th. BUT since the intermediates or not there yet, will then take it offline again after the month change then wait for the IS to appear on the Vuelta site. So the GPM streamlining can be done then too.
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:10 am

Thanks lennylenny and RKL for designing this so far.

That gave me time to improve team- and calendar-layout a little bit.

I suppose you are finishing it off soon. Let me know if you don't have time. Then I can try to finish it Monday/Tuesday.
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by lennylenny » Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:01 am

I can do all three remaining ones until Lunch today, maybe RKL can take a look at Getxo then

19: 132km middle mountain 67km lap, but second lap finishes two km earlier, made sure everything lines up over the two laps
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20: 176km mountain
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21: 101km flat
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:21 am

Oh, was going to have time in the evening, but if it's done even better.

Will put it online temporarily as announce tomorrow. Checks until then please.
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by lennylenny » Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:06 am

completed all remaining stages
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by RS Coesitz » Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:26 am

Does stage 18 has the correct name? Can´t find its profile...

Thanks for drawing all the stages! Great work again!

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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by lennylenny » Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:53 am

RS Coesitz wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:26 am
Does stage 18 has the correct name? Can´t find its profile...

Thanks for drawing all the stages! Great work again!
oops, made a spelling mistake there, it is saved as vuellta22_18
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Hansa » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:32 pm

Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:46 pm
You are right. Seems same as last year and same as TDF:

Maximum amounts of points: 50 – 30 – 20 – 18 – 16 – 14 – 12 – 10 – 8 – 7 – 6 – 5 – 4 – 3 – 2

Medium amount of points: 30 – 25 – 22 – 19 – 17 – 15 – 13 – 11 – 9 – 7 – 6 – 5 – 4 – 3 – 2

Minimum amount of points: 20 – 17 – 15 – 13 – 11 – 10 – 9 – 8 – 7 – 6 – 5 – 4 – 3 – 2 – 1

https://www.cyclingstage.com/vuelta-202 ... ification/

But mountains jersey is different from TDF:

Cima Alberto Fernandez: 20 – 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
HC: 15 – 10 – 6 – 4 – 2
1st category: 10 – 6 – 4 – 2 – 1
2nd category: 5 – 3 – 1
3rd category: 3 – 2 – 1

https://www.cyclingstage.com/vuelta-202 ... ification/

Will try to change on-time. Alkworld knows how to do it and will be back from holoday before start of Vuelta.
The race will award 10, 6 and 4 seconds to the first three riders of
each stage (except TT), and with 3, 2 and 1 second to the first three
riders to cross each intermediate sprint or bonus sprints located on
specific climbs


Amount of points in intermediate sprints (all stages, except ITTs): 20 – 17 – 15 – 13 – 10

i think time bonis and points for intermedians was not posted earlier just for completion
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by lennylenny » Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:28 pm

intermediate sprints are now visible on the official site: https://www.lavuelta.es/en/stage-2

so how do we do the mountain points now? scaled 1 cat down or keep Vuelta cat?
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:01 pm

No hurry, I won't upload the definite version before the new month anyway. For form this version works fine.

IS: Put in, I will in "my" stages soon... might be Monday though, my busy weekend with horse races coming, usually collapse into bed early on Sundays.

GPM: I say depends on Alkfelstuerld: If they already programmed it for one way or another, we'll do that.
If nothing is done yet I would recommend to follow the Vuelta classification, otherwise we will have to answer the same question every 2 days, "why is this cat 2 it's cat 1 in reality!!!!!!" But as I said, if the programmers already did it for that system, leave it, we change the GPM.
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by lennylenny » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:30 am

during checking for the intermediate sprints I noticed my first stage being like 3km off the profile on the vuelta page, then I also checked if the profiles on the Vuelta page are the same length as the profiles in the roadbooks.
Result: wildly different, some stages same length in both, some stages shorter in Roadbook, some stages longer in roadbook, so I guess we keep the current profiles and just say F the Vuelta organizers?
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:45 am

Yes, nothing to worry about. We work with the stuff that we get, so if there's contradictory info... not much we can do.
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by lennylenny » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:23 pm

so while moving all my cats to the original level i also noticed a few changes on the website:
Stage 2: Cat 3 -> Cat 4
Stage 3: added Cat 4
Stage 8: added Cat 3
Stage 9: Cat 2 -> Cat 3 (Alto de la Llama)
Stage 14: added Cat 3
Stage 15: added Cat 3
Stage 20:Cat 3 -> Cat 2 (Puerto de Canencia)

changes of Stages 8,9 and 20 are already completed
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by flockmastoR » Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:19 am

Hey! Just noticed in the calender, that Vuelta is shown as Category 4, should be 5!
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:34 am

Dumb RKL
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Alkworld » Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:23 pm

and with 3, 2 and 1 second to the first three
riders to cross each intermediate sprint or bonus sprints located on
specific climbs
Any idea what the bold part might mean? If it's on a certain climb, we could implement it, otherwise maybe better to ignore it?

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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:27 pm

2 examples:

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The B means bonifications I figured. From the text above it seems that all intermediates give this bonification, but looking at the profile to me it seems that it's once every stage, and either at the intermediate or on a GPM....
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Re: La Vuelta a España 2022

Post by Alkworld » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:15 am

Robyklebt wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:27 pm
2 examples:
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The B means bonifications I figured. From the text above it seems that all intermediates give this bonification, but looking at the profile to me it seems that it's once every stage, and either at the intermediate or on a GPM....
This we can't implement with the current C4F. My suggestion would be to do the usual 3-2-1 at every intermediate sprint.

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