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Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:31 pm

Beginning of July, TDF and most of July is designed, Gipfel has some time, so maybe a good point in time to think about Andes 2018:

Important things first: Can I get the mandate to design Andes 2018? After the 2017 edition, in which I could take a lot from Cerro's work, of course I developed some more own ideas, so now really eager to design the 2018 edition. What can you expect? Mountains! I mean, more mountains! Last year was a bit too nice for strong classics, so probably we should hurt them a bit. In addition, I have some cool, unique routes in mind, but I can only reveal that in the presentation.

Details then, well, I would stick to 16 days including rest days. We ride in November.

What else can I offer? Well, can not really offer because Donkey is the December Dictator, but would accept if he excludes me from December Tour. That would hurt the game a bit because I have really nice ideas for a December Tour after travelling South East Asia recently. However, getting Andes and December last year was too much, so maybe cannot do that again this year. It is somebody else's turn. Yes, actually I step back from designing 2018 December Tour. (And by that, the Donkey can not exclude me, because I exclude myself, hahaha.) That way, I can focus on Andes. And focus on criticizing others December Tours, which is very easy if you did not design one :D Well, and most importantly, more people can design December tours now! Because they will have a chance after all!

Anybody else who really wants to design? I mean, if any of the former designers, especially Cerro, wants to do it, then we could discuss of course.
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Alkworld » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:06 am

I'd love to design it as well, but I won't have the time. If you already have all those ideas floating around, use them :)

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:24 pm

Can I do 2020?
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by luques » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:31 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:24 pm
Can I do 2020?
I don't get exactly how, but seems you are the dictator of the offseason calendar... so guess your choice!

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:32 pm

No no, I'm only the dictator of the Dec tour.
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:05 pm

Hello everyone,

the end of the Tour de France is a good day to present Campeonato de los Andes 2018. (Not only personally, as I have to get this awful TdF out of my mind):

Andes 2018 will take place in Colombia and Ecuador, but it will also touch Venezuela at the start (to give the country some hope) and later Peru.

KEY HIGHLIGHTS 2018:
- Visiting Casa de Nairo Quintana on stage 5!
- Mountain Arrival at El Carmelo after 11 stages without a rest day!
- Mountain Arrival at Laguna de Cuicocha on stage #13 after 246km!
- Ultra difficult Team Time Trial in Bogota, but no Individual Time Trial!
- No camino de la muerte, but other pavé sections!
- 5 mountain arrivals (some are just hard, some are extreme)
- 4 stages that allow a mass sprint!
- 7 short stages (<160km) for some action.

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General design rules

Mountains:
HC-Cat.: 2000hm >6% OR 2500hm
1-Cat.: 1500hm >6% OR 2000hm
2-Cat.: 1000hm >6% OR 1500hm
3-Cat.: 500hm >6% OR 1000hm
4-Cat.: 250hm >6% OR 500hm

Sprints:
3 IS on Flat stages
2 IS on Hilly stages
1 IS on HC stages

Et. 1 (Hilly): San Cristobal - Pamplona - 152km - 3050meters to climb - 87min
Start in San Cristobal to give Venezuela some hope. Andes 2018 starts easy and not easy: 3 short stages give the riders some time to warm up you would think, but as we start with a mountain arrival, this could turn out very different. The arrival is however not too hard. Only few sieb km during the climb with the last 10km being: +5 +4 +10 +1 -2 +3 0 -1 +1 +3

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Et. 2 (Flat): Pamplona - Bucaramanga - 134km - 2110meters to climb - 74min
Ok, stage 2 gives some relief. It starts with a climb to El Oriente which could create a sieb. But with a long flat and downhill part afterwards, a good sprint team will be able to bring their sprinters back. Last five kilometer is -1 +1 +2 +2 +3

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Et. 3 (Hilly/Pave): Bucaramanga - Barichara - 129km - 3070meters to climb - 79min
Another short stage, but this time very hilly and with some pave at the finish in Barichara. Last ten kilometer are +5 +6 +5 +5 +5 +6 +7 +3 -1*** +5***. This could be a fight between climbers and pavé specialists.

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Et. 4 (HC): San Joaquin - Chita - 198km - 5980meters to climb - 120min
3 short stages completed, all riders at 1000 energy and you feel like this is not the Andes you remember? Watch out for the next days. Stage 4 is a real classical HC Andes stage. Uphill, downhill, uphill, downhill, basically no flat. The last climb before Chita is long enough and hard enough (many +8 and +9) to sieb everybody away, but who can come back in the 20km long downhill? Last five km are -5 -3 +3 +3 +4.

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Et. 5 (Hilly): Belen - Casa de Nairo Quintana - 233km - 5570meters to climb - 121min
Now this. Emotionally the most important stage of Andes 2018. Who can win at Nairo Quintana's house? Google for it and you see why it is special. The way there however is not as difficult as those stages that Nairo can win. So we made it a 233km stage to make it really difficult. Last ten kilometer are +4 +3 +5 +5 +4 +9 +9 +5 -1 0. So again it could be climber but it is not 100% safe for a climber.

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Et. 6 (Hilly/Pave): Casa de Nairo Quintana - Villa de Leyva - 198km - 3540meters to climb - 105min
Leaving Case de Nairo, we head towards a difficult 198km stage with several pavé sections. Why so many pavé? That is how some streets, villages and small cities look like. They only have pavé and so here it comes. As a designer, you cannot find all the pavé and in fact Andes is too easy when there is no pavé as compared to the street quality in real life. But if you focus, you can find some of the pavé and it happens that on this stage I found a lot of pavé, but none is stronger than **. Finish is a small circuit in Villa de Leyva: +1** -1** +1** -1** +1** -1**.

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Et. 7 (Flat): Villa de Leyva - Bogota - 142km - 1690meters to climb - 76min
Stage 7, short flat stage to Bogota after three exhausting 200km stages in a row and before a decisive team time trial! So, this is really for the escape. This will be your day if you are not a GC favo. Except, yes, except if somebody is smart enough to bring a sprint team to Andes. Why? The flat stages are rather short and easy. The big crazy mountains come relatively later. So if you ever thought about bringing your train and a sprinter to Andes, this is it probably.

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Et. 8 (TTT): Bogota - Bogota - 46km - 810meters to climb - 46min
Stage 8, no rest day yet and you have to ride a 46km team time trial with 810meters to climb, holy shit. This means you need riders with time trial and with mountain and downhill skill. Hard to find. Good luck.

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Et. 9 (Flat): Islilla - Las Lomas - 145km - 770meters to climb - 78min
Stage 9. After the TTT we fly to Peru and this is again a chance for the escape as well as for the unlikely sprinter team at Andes. Climbers will try to relax after the TTT and before the mountain, but this means also that a GC attack could work.

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Et. 10 (Hilly): Las Lomas - Orianga - 189km - 4880meters to climb - 101min
Stage 10 leads the peloton to Ecuador and provides a hilly experience to Orianga. Final 12km are +6 +6 +6 +4 +4 +3 +3 +3 -4 -8 -9 0. A hill sprinter might take his chance.

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Et. 11 (HC): Machala - El Carmelo - 201km - 5900meters to climb - 119min
Stage 11 and if you don't feel tired yet after 10 stages without a rest day, you probably have 65 reg or you are crazy. Today brings the tired peloton over HC climb Arcapamba to El Carmelo, which is a safe climber's stage because El Carmelo is the Zoncolan of Ecuador. Last 10km are +7 +5 +9 +5 +13 +10 +8 +10 +17 +16. After this, you will probably really need the rest day.

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********************************* REST DAY *******************************************


Et. 12 (Hilly): Ipiales - San Jose de Tinajillas - 140km - 2730meters to climb - 84min
Off to an incredible 4 stage final after the rest day. 2 mountain arrivals, one very difficult arrival in Quito and the last stage in Quito are waiting. We start relatively light with 140km, but the final climb to San Jose de Tinajillas has everything you need for a fight between climbers. It starts super steep, but gets flatter at the top: +4 +7 +10 +11 +14 +17 +11 +11 -4 -3 +12 +11 -3 +8 +8 +7 +4 +4 +3 +1 0. This arrival makes it really difficult to time an attack if you want to be fit on the next day for 246km and Laguna de Cuicocha.

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Et. 13 (HC): San Jose de Tinajillas - Luguna de Cuicocha - 246km - 6360meters to climb - 139min
Stage 13 is the king's stage. 246 difficult kilometer with a final climb to Laguna de Cuicocha, which we visited last year already. The climb is split into 3 parts, with the middle part being the hardest (up to 12%). The last 5km are +7,+7,+7,+7,+3.

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Et. 14 (HC): Laguna de Cuicocha - Quito - 221km - 5700meters to climb - 123min
Downhill from Laguna de Cuicocha the road will lead us over 221km to Ecuador's capital Quito. The profile makes it quite likely that only a small group arrives together in Quito for the final circuit. Riders have to complete a 8km city circuit three times: +3, +7, +5**, -10, -4, -2, +3, -2*. After stage 14, the winner of Andes 2018 should be decided.

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Et. 15 (Flat): Quito - Quito - 90km - 1200meters to climb - 50min
Stage 15 is a relaxed 90km ride, at least if the team of the GC leader is still in a good condition to protect their leader. The course is a bit hilly but has no sieb km: +3 +3 +2 -5 -3 -2 +2 +2 -2*. Another mass sprint is possible if any of the sprinters survived Andes.

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I am looking forward to this extraordinary race and I hope your riders are strong enough to enjoy it a little bit!

Any remaining errors are my own and please be so kind to report them. Also, please feel free to comment.

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Liquigas-CND » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:52 pm

Ok, even if Humberto may retire until Campeonato, Jesse should be there, most probably trying to win his last tour and maybe helped by Humberto or another colombian climber...

I think is a nice design and the lack of an ITT will only make the tour less predictable and more interesting.

Great idea to have a long TTT, this way I will have the chance to practice what I ve learned hopefully after the TTT stage of TDF.

The only point I dont like is "no Camino de la Muerte" but ok, it's a nice design after the stupid design of TDF.
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:47 pm

Liquigas-CND wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:52 pm
The only point I dont like is "no Camino de la Muerte" but ok, it's a nice design after the stupid design of TDF.
Thanks, Liqui. I think of Camino de la Muerte in Andes a bit like Mont Ventoux in TDF or Finestre in Giro.

It has amazing history, it has some stories to tell, but still maybe you don't want to ride it every year, because otherwise it gets too normal. So maybe next year then again Camino de la Muerte :)
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:18 pm

Very unhappy Donkey complains!
Robyklebt wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:24 pm
Can I do 2020?
And retracts his request for a shot at 2020. Why?`

This damn Gipfel basically stole the Donkeys idea! Ok, not exactly, but the Donkey 2020 Andes would have been very similar. Start in Venezuela, finish in Ecuador. Finish of the first stage in San Cristobal. Of course the Donkey version than would have been muuuuch better :lol: Not only Nairo, no no, the homes of the real colombian legends too.
-Martin Emilio Rodriguez. (Cochise). Before the Donkey's time, but has to be in. Plus Medellin anyway, great stages can be made there.
- Lucho Herrera: Clear, first colombian GT winner.
- Fabio Parra: Much better than Herrera actually... but no GT win. Came close, twice, actually probably really the better GT GC rider than Herrera, but Herrera the better climber. (well, maybe...)

These 3 for sure, plus Quintana, and possibly

- Jose Patrocinio Jimenez and Edgar Corredor. The first ones of the first real wave of the 80es. And the Donkey remembers them (from newspapers, the only race he watched at the time was the Giro)
- Oliverio Rincon (ok, not a BIG star, but for the Donkey the best between the first wave and the second wave we're seeing now, forget Mejia and especially that useless Botero, Rincon was the man.
- Rigoberto Uran, best cyclist in activity.

The 4 extra guys only maybe because: Plan to put in the 3 most famous colombian passes, Letras, La Linea and Alto de Minas. (getting old, had to check for the third one, hope got it right..)
And finish in Quito. Plus a stage from the Pacific near the border with Ecuador. Yeah, not sure if I would have been able to put everything in... even if I already have some ooold rough drafts. Anyway, enough about this aborted venture.

Let's criticize the 2018 version.
Not much too criticize.
1) TELL ME how you make those maps. Refused to answer last year, this time I want one.
2) I'm not a big fan of late TTTs. At all. It possible kills the race for 2-3 days ahead. And with a very very hard stage like stage 4 earlier in the race, some teams will not be complete anymore (btw, how many riders?) So late, teams possibly lose riders on stage 4, some riders will never see 1000 energy again after stage 4.. IMO very bad decision to have a TTT that late. This one actually my biggest and only real real complaint.
3) Pavé.. not a big fan. Yeah, there is pavé, ok, make a few cool one day races! But that often.. avoid it! But ok, it's there.
4) Sprint stages. Actually 2 teams if I remember correctly showed up with sprinters last year in the afternoon, and rode for it. So while I didn't think it would work last year, it did, so actually ok, it can work, good to have them in, in that case. So not criticism, but the criticism comes now. Before the TTT one. Oookay, you want the GC teams to have a chance to take it easy. Understandeable. Even if that puts the teams with a sprinter at a disadvantage. But AFTER the TTT another sprint? That's simply not a sprint, since the sprinters will be dead most likely. Most sprinters have little reg, if I had a sprinter and was thinking about bringing him here this stage would be a big minus. A flat stage after a TTT why not, but then don't try to get the sprinters... if you want to get them, offer real chances. This one isn't (I think). And the one before the TTT isn't really one either, unless you come without climber or one that only wants stages.
5) Peru. Without a rest day. a looong flight, no rest day. Such a long transfer IMO needs a rest day.
6) Peru. What for? These 3 days in Peru and Southern Ecuador somehow don't seem that special that you need to go there. El Carmelo is nice, but not THAT necessary. Especially if after the 3 stages you fly back north .Don't get it.
7) Peru?
8) Stage 14! Not a fan, to me looks like very little will happen there actually. And -2 arrival..
9) Stage 14-15m somehow for the GC everything seems done at 13
10) Ok, finally managed to reach 10, had to stretch it a bit from 7-9... Stage 15. Andes, then a softy stage to finish? Bah, what used to make the Andes so stressfull is that every day it's GC riding, every day it's hard, even if there is a flat stage on some altiplano there will be GC attacks. And now you invite the sprinters AND then try to make the last stage a Champs-Elysées kind of thing? Buuuuuh! Pfui! And even worse, a -2 sprint, on a flat day. While it's ok on stage 14 (unless I have to do stretching) here if you want a sprint then at least give it to real sprinters, a 0!

Ok, finished, as you can see I'm enraged.
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:04 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:18 pm
1) TELL ME how you make those maps. Refused to answer last year, this time I want one.
2) I'm not a big fan of late TTTs. At all. It possible kills the race for 2-3 days ahead. And with a very very hard stage like stage 4 earlier in the race, some teams will not be complete anymore (btw, how many riders?) So late, teams possibly lose riders on stage 4, some riders will never see 1000 energy again after stage 4.. IMO very bad decision to have a TTT that late. This one actually my biggest and only real real complaint.
3) Pavé.. not a big fan. Yeah, there is pavé, ok, make a few cool one day races! But that often.. avoid it! But ok, it's there.
4) Sprint stages. Actually 2 teams if I remember correctly showed up with sprinters last year in the afternoon, and rode for it. So while I didn't think it would work last year, it did, so actually ok, it can work, good to have them in, in that case. So not criticism, but the criticism comes now. Before the TTT one. Oookay, you want the GC teams to have a chance to take it easy. Understandeable. Even if that puts the teams with a sprinter at a disadvantage. But AFTER the TTT another sprint? That's simply not a sprint, since the sprinters will be dead most likely. Most sprinters have little reg, if I had a sprinter and was thinking about bringing him here this stage would be a big minus. A flat stage after a TTT why not, but then don't try to get the sprinters... if you want to get them, offer real chances. This one isn't (I think). And the one before the TTT isn't really one either, unless you come without climber or one that only wants stages.
5) Peru. Without a rest day. a looong flight, no rest day. Such a long transfer IMO needs a rest day.
6) Peru. What for? These 3 days in Peru and Southern Ecuador somehow don't seem that special that you need to go there. El Carmelo is nice, but not THAT necessary. Especially if after the 3 stages you fly back north .Don't get it.
7) Peru?
8) Stage 14! Not a fan, to me looks like very little will happen there actually. And -2 arrival..
9) Stage 14-15m somehow for the GC everything seems done at 13
10) Ok, finally managed to reach 10, had to stretch it a bit from 7-9... Stage 15. Andes, then a softy stage to finish? Bah, what used to make the Andes so stressfull is that every day it's GC riding, every day it's hard, even if there is a flat stage on some altiplano there will be GC attacks. And now you invite the sprinters AND then try to make the last stage a Champs-Elysées kind of thing? Buuuuuh! Pfui! And even worse, a -2 sprint, on a flat day. While it's ok on stage 14 (unless I have to do stretching) here if you want a sprint then at least give it to real sprinters, a 0!
Ok, I'm gonna reply on the two relevant things:

1) Did not refuse to answer on purpose. I use GIMP (it's like photoshop but for free). Then I take relief maps from https://maps-for-free.com and add some color, cities, paths, etc. It is quite some work. Takes a few hours even if you have practice. But after doing all the research for Andes, those few hours are well spent, I believe. Only this way you can develop some of the ridiculous criticisms, but will come to that now.

2) Ok, what I read here is: "The TTT is too late. It will be so difficult. I will lose riders on stage 4. And my riders will be tired for TTT. And I want a rest day earlier. Mimimi." It is Andes, so better ride in Grupetto, OK? Nobody should lose more than 4 riders on stage 4 if they ride in Grupetto. Then the flat stage before TTT is short. Good chances for sprinter or escape. I mean, obviously depends on the peloton, but as nobody want to kill the team before TTT if they have ambitions in GC, chances are there. And after TTT? Well, everybody has to complete it. So it's not like sprinter teams will be dead and everybody else at 1000. If at all, will be the other way around because sprinter teams can go slow in TTT. But, after all, it is Andes. Can be GC attack everyday. Actually had exactly that last year with Poke's win (but I was on podium as well!!)

3) to 10) is mostly nonsense (as you admit) or just a question of style. With regards to style, I of course invite you to design 2020 - IF AND ONLY IF I can still do 2019. Have some big ideas for 2019. Will be very different from this year. (Not sure about this first come first served for 2020, if others apply for it, you might need to discuss btw.) But let's first focus on this year. Have to think about my line-up. Some riders are getting a bit old... Oh, and probably will ride evening edition, so no Donkey vs. Gipfel I guess.
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:45 pm

WEll, you didn't answer, probably didn't see the question, but REFUSED sounds nicer! Thanks.

As for 3-10 being mostly nonsense, no no. The sprints are serious -2, after TTT, before TTT, just not ideal. But well, it's nothing major, the major one is 2. Some stretching, ok, and question of style ok.

As for 2020, no, not interested anymore, yours this year is too similar in the region.... I might re-apply for 2022 or so:)

As for 2) No, sorry, your first sentence is almost insulting. Mmh, have you seen my team? And my usual Andes teams? I'm the last one to have problems losing riders usually. My normal Andes set-up is
- 3 climbers (one old, 2 for the next Giro,), (will be the same for 2019, 34-25-23)
- all the classics I have, usually 2-3 in November, again, one older getting worse. (should be similar again this year, Matsuoka, useless Pilioko, Tobar most likely there, on the way dooown. Son on the way up, so one real classic, 3 fake ones
-2-3 60-80 or well, 60-something and one guy with maybe 55? Innocenti+?, at this point Valdelomar, but possibly some 22 year old future 60-80 around by then. Or oold Gopal. at whatever he is.
Ah, how many riders? 8 or 9? I won't be the first one in danger of losing riders, on the contrary, I have the team to elimate others if I want. Don't do it, for different reason, one is that I don't really see the point, don't think it's the thing to do. Another one much more selfish, is that if I do then MY riders are the ones that are in danger of being eliminated, once a bunch of 45-55 mountain guys are out, my guys are in danger.... keep some safety guys in the back.
So no, it's not mimimi, or whatever, has nothing to do with my team, has everything to do with what I regard as good for a race and what not, so don't try to make it something else. Call it style if you want. I think having the TTT that late simply has an inordinate influence on the race, and not in a positive sense. It kind of blocks the race for days, it furthers favors the team that are already favored, more than an earlier (well, stage 1 for me...) TTT would do. Strong mountain teams with reg are favorites. TTT makes it more so, since they'll have the full team, while others might not. As for not losing more than 4 riders on stage 4... that many?? Was thinking about 1, 2... maybe 3? 4 would be huge... And it's about 7 riders riding vs 9 and so on, makes a difference. Doubt a team will be with less than 5.. ok, might happen, but mostly newcomers that don't really know how the Andes will play out, in the end for them with or without TTT will be hard.
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:33 pm

Sure sure, no insult. I was exaggerating a bit. Of course it's not gonna be you who loses their riders on stage 4 and loses the TTT because of that... I was just exaggerating to point out that complaining about Andes being too hard because of a TTT is, well, not really a point for me since Andes is supposed to be super hard. Does the TTT block the first seven stages? Puuh, yes, it's possible that GC teams will try to avoid action. But then again isn't that true for every other hard stage as well? That it affects the stages before?

So I see it as a chance for escapes, for surprise attacks, for low-skill-but-high-reg riders and teams. Put pressure on that 91 mountain guy without reg, etc...

Maybe after the race, we can discuss again. Perhaps you'll be right but it's a bit pessimistic. I'm a bit more optimistic that it is a chance for Non-GC teams.
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Pokemon Club » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:44 am

Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:33 pm
Does the TTT block the first seven stages?
No but the TTT can make bug the game. The times is take in the 5th rider, but what if you even don't have 5 before to start the TTT ?

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:56 pm

So please no more TTT in RSF? And also not in real life, ok? Because riders could be out in real life, too...

But ok, happy to make Luques or somebody check, if Buhmann was smart enough to check on that in his code.
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Pokemon Club » Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:02 pm

Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:56 pm
So please no more TTT in RSF? And also not in real life, ok? Because riders could be out in real life, too...

But ok, happy to make Luques or somebody check, if Buhmann was smart enough to check on that in his code.
We don't talk about reality we talk about RSF Gipfel. Luques is already in a rush to create the new website before Flash die, implant new codes, etc. Seems an useless work form to read the code, check it, understand if all correct, test it etc, etc...when at the end of the year we already know that won't be useful anymore.

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Liquigas-CND » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:43 am

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by luques » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:26 pm

I don't actually get what the link of Liqui means in this post about Andes anyway!

As for the TTT bug, both are true, would have been better if it worked normally, as it doesn't better to avoid it.
Btw, maybe I am too optimistic, but seems to me hard for a team to lose 5 riders in 7 stages (first 3 are also quite short).

In case it happens what would happen? Simply that every rider would do his TTT by himself as an ITT. We can also fix this by reintroducing an eliminated rider in case.

But I optimistically think it won't be necessary.

So relax that summer is ending :D

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:42 am

To facilitate the decision for the times, let's try this: everybody that thinks he'll ride the Andes, writes the times that are ok here. Ideally Luques will post a notice ingame (if he survived the WC of course). If separate thread is better, still can do that.
Ah, they will start the 10th Nov.

How:
Top times:
Ok times:
Obviously more than one is ok.

I start.

Top: 14h
Ok: 13h, 15h

Explanation, not necessary, just as an example 14 22 here, Always on time, End not too late.
13h=21, miss the start twice a week
15h=23, late finish for 2 weeks, if the race is interesting the Donkey usually then needs a 1h wind down (c4f really wakes me up sometimes, tired when the race starts, full of power when it ends. Sleep at 2-3. And occasionally even I have to get up early.

Anyway, participate! As a specialized tour participation usually rather low, by figuring out the best times hopefully we can maximize participation!
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by team fl » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:36 am

Ha, the afternoon gang :)

Top times: 14
Ok times: 13, 15
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by GreenMotion » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:08 pm

Top: 17,18
Ok: 16,19

I think the ttt is good as it is.

thanks, all a nice tour

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:47 pm

Top: 21, 22
Ok: 20,23 (but obviously expect 21 or 22)
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Pokemon Club » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:36 am

23 Top
21 22 OK

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by luques » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:12 pm

I like the idea, just one thing, as it seems to me that some of the stages are really long and can be more than 2 hours, maximum time allowed is 23 and not midnight.

P.S. at the moment looks like 14-18-21-23

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by team fl » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:45 pm

luques wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:12 pm
I like the idea, just one thing, as it seems to me that some of the stages are really long and can be more than 2 hours, maximum time allowed is 23 and not midnight.

P.S. at the moment looks like 14-18-21-23
My thoughts so far: The reactions are not representative at all so far. Of course, you could say that the other haven't reacted and it's their own fault. but still, it's the main tour in November, with not much attractive side stuff (only one parallel tour planned so far). And participation in the forum has always been very low. Hence I would offer all 5 main times (morning, afternoon, evening, night, late night), and just take the poll as a decision when exactly the times will be set (f.e. 13,14,15, or 16 in the afternoon, 8,9,10 in the morning, etc.). I would rather have only 2 to 3 times for the parallel tour and 3 (when both tours take place) to 4 times for the one day races...

Anyway, good that you are spreading the word about the poll. Maybe also in the official news? And if nobody pleads for a morning time eventually, then I think your proposal could be the right one :).
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2018

Post by Coroncina2 » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:34 pm

top 23
ok 22 24
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