December Tour 12 competition talk and rules thread

[Robyklebt]

The rules by lesossies (read them a few posts down)

Simple rules:

Tour limits:
10-14 days with max. 1 rest day and max. 1 day with 2 half-stages.

No extrem tour:
No extrem mountainous tour like Anden or an extrem cobbles-tour like sachsen nor en extrem flat one)

Design Time :
until 31.October.

[sylvainmeteo]

Mine is ready, but I'll wait that the others finish too

[Robyklebt]

Posting won't be in this thread anyway....
And tradionally the presentation starts on the first of october anyway...

[Vea Olio]

i've make a tour

[Vea Olio]

The "Around the Indian Ocean's Islands" (Giro delle Isole dell'Oceano Indiano in italian) is the great invention of RCS Sport, which has created a race in areas that haven't cycling tradition. The stages will be 14 and the show is guaranteed. But now we show the countries crossed by the race.
Maldives: here are in program two stages, the prologue and the first road race. The second stage will cross many islands passing on some bridges built for the occasion.
Mayotte: only one short stage, but very intense.
Comoros: also here only a stage, but it will be the first uphill finish on the Mount Karthala, hard climb hors-categorie (22 km at 10,2%).
Réunion: two stages: the first with 4383 m of height difference, final climb is 29,7 km long, while the second is a medium mountain stage less hard but however selective.
Mauritius: one stage with almost 3000 m of height difference, but the sprinters can try to win on the finish line.
Seychelles: two stages very hard with the only time trial that is with a uphill finish and very short, decision which was taken by management. The other stage presents the climb of Foret Noire.
Madagascar: all the final stages are there, and the final classement can still change. The final stage starts and finish to Antananarivo, capital of Madagascar.
Excuse-me if there are some errors, but I'm not English and I'don't know it very well.

[lesossies]

Simple rules:

Tour limits:
10-14 days with max. 1 rest day and max. 1 day with 2 half-stages.

No extrem tour:
No extrem mountainous tour like Anden or an extrem cobbles-tour like sachsen nor en extrem flat one)

Design Time :
until 31.October.

[sylvainmeteo]

sylvainmeteo great tour

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3098

Say it here, this topic is ONLY for presentations ^^
(Leso delete it if you see the message or put it with Vea Olio's one in the 'talking' topic)

[NoPikouze]

-Vea Olio: Not finished... looks nice for the moment, keep working.

-SM Team: A lot of flat-ish stages, and also 3 times a "simple" uphill arrival, although I know it's hard to do better in countries as USA. But you really should fix the restday yourself... We will vote for a TOUR, not a toolbox! And maybe you should try to add some "context", to make the whole thing nicer and more interesting, if you want to get people's votes !

[Vea Olio]

Now I speak a little of Arizona Tour. Therefore, the stages are perhaps a little too easy. Let me explain. Make a dry uphill arrival is fine, but make four is not the best, because there will never be great selection. The stages for the sprinters and mid-mountain are good, but perhaps the difference in level is too content. Then I have not seen it, but I think you could do harder stages. With this but I want to say you're a great creator of Tour, but you can still improve much from the point of view of the mountain stages.

[lesossies]

Only 2 tours in competition ?

[team fl]

3rd will enter the competition before 31 October. I am quite sure

[Robyklebt]

And I think a fourth guy said he was working on something to. (not me, not me)

[Pokemon Club]

Maybe a fifth guy too so

[Liberty]

Only 2 tours in competition ?

habe ja meine bolivien tour nicht weiter gemacht, da die ja reel im november gefahren wird

[Robyklebt]

Stört doch niemanden wenn es im November halt eine reale Vuelta a Bolivia gibt....vorallem da der Fantasyvorschlag für Dez wohl 10x besser ist.

[lesossies]

habe ja meine bolivien tour nicht weiter gemacht, da die ja reel im november gefahren wird

Why not ?

Roby hat recht, wenn deine besser ist und gefällt.

[Robyklebt]

Roby hat recht

Ist eh klar, musst du gar nicht hinschreiben.

[Pokemon Club]

Mine is post

[Robyklebt]

ed

[sylvainmeteo]

stage 5 middlem ountain Poké, it's a joke?

[Bear]

I think its ok, could be both, designers choice. stage is totally flat except the last 9kms... why this should be a pure mountain stage?

[Pokemon Club]

Lol SM it is like said Bear, I can't considerate this like a mountain with only one climb at the end.

[Robyklebt]

Still waiting for the winning tour

GIOI: Fantastic idea, some very good stages so far. A bit weak on sprints so far it seems, but more coming, so can change. But IMO the biggest problem is: The sudden fantasy roads. No problem with the bridges on Maldives, good idea even. But the very very likely non existing roads for some of the final climbs? Khartala and Pitons Plat? Same as with one of Veas one day races... followed the roads in Tadjikistan, then all of the sudden lets go offroad and climb a high mountain. Fairly sure it's the same here... not going to check

Arizona: It needs a special kind of stupidity to design a stage race in december in Arizona visiting Ski resorts. It's 2012, we have "real weather". How does it work? We take the weather of the capital, Washington DC and we ride according to this weather. It's known. And even if we had more real real weather, it takes the weather of the closest weather station.... while the stages in the south would be ok (I guess) the ones in the mountains. Design this last year, ok, why not, even if I personnally never liked the "cold tours" for the dec tour, but this year, when it's known we have "real weather". Just dumb.

Japan: It needs an even more special kind of stupidity to design a race that starts in Hokkaido in winter. Houston to brain, hello! Oh, nothing there. Unlike Arizona, which suffers from Washington, Japan profits from "tropical Tokyo" and it won't be as cold as it is in reality in Hokkaido. But that won't help much. Some altitude and we still will have 0-5 degrees.. .at sea level depending on how the weather is in Tokyo it might go there too, although warmer of course is possible too. Thanks to the capital weather Japan will very likely be warmer than Arizona, but with Arizona at least maybe we could convince leso to implement more real real weather... closest weather station... which probably would make Arizona more rideable in parts. I guess.

Hope Libby finishes Bolivia... which would be my immediate favorite then. Or that other strange guy who keeps threatening to design one his stuff...

[sylvainmeteo]

we can put 'dry' weather with 0/20°C for my Arizona Tour

[Robyklebt]

I'd be more for more local weather. That leso doesn't take it from the capital anymore, but from the closest weather station. I guess (haven't checked) that would make a large part of your tour with ok weather. Of course the mountain stage would still be at 0 degree... .but ok, so let's ride a few stages in the cold. Just the whole tour in stupid cold weather... no thanks.... Lobby leso for local weather!