Campeonato de los Andes 2020

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Campeonato de los Andes 2020

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:54 pm

Still some time left until November, but it's never too early to think about the Campeonato! But actually I was not yet thinking about it, as I pointed out last year, that after 3 years of designing the Campeonato, I can pass the responsibility to some other experienced designer. (And I will focus on winning December Tour contest!)

So yesterday Tukh asked me! I think he mentioned it before already, and I think the only other interested designer (Roby) said he wasn't interested anymore. So if I remember all that correctly, let Tukh do it. But I think at this point others can still raise their hand!

Tukh also asked me about designing tips, so whoever designs it, here are my tips:

Most important tip: Keep the spirit of the founder of the Campeonato Cerro Torre RT: Extreme long and difficult climber tour with special highlights.

Extreme long and difficult climber tour
A) Usually min. 50% of the stages are classified "Mountain/HC" for good reason.
B) Usually there are some stages with up to ~250km.
C) Best rider type should have High Mountain & High Reg

Special Highlights (be creative!)
Can be
A) Dirt road climbs (like Camino de la Muerte)
B) Long TTT or ITT with special features (e.g. Mountain ITT or Dirt road ITT like on Salar de Uyuni)
C) pavè (like in the City of Valparaiso)
D) Super long climbs (like Cristo Redentor de los Andes)
E) Exciting stories (like visiting the home house of Nairo Quintana)
F) Exciting locations (like Galapagos Islands)
G) Some other cool ideas. Be creative!
But don't exaggerate. Not every stage can be a special highlights for 14/15 stages.

In addition, some facts:
- Normally a 16 days tour (incl. 1 or 2 rest days)
- It is fantasy but all roads should be real.
- Travel should be realistic if possible (so not too many flying all around South America)
- It's nice if you can present a map in addition to the profiles (In general, a nice presentation will be welcomed)

How I defined KOM and IS
Mountains:
HC-Cat.: 2000hm >=Ø6% OR 2500hm
1-Cat.: 1500hm >=Ø6% OR 2000hm
2-Cat.: 1000hm >=Ø6% OR 1500hm
3-Cat.: 500hm >=Ø6% OR 1000hm
4-Cat.: 250hm >=Ø6% OR 500hm

Sprints:
3 IS on Flat stages
2 IS on Hilly stages
1 IS on HC stages

Andes Design Tips:
- South America has bad roads
- Google Street View can give an impression for city areas
- Satellite Images (Google Maps) can help if no Street View is available
- Check road surface already while planning the route, to avoid bad surprises when doing the details
- GPS-Data for climbs is often imprecise, so should be researched and corrected if possible (A passage +6 -3 +7 can in reality be +3 +3 +4)
- Try to finish and present before October 31, for form settings

General Design Tips applicable to Andes, too
- RideWithGPS for building the route
- Having other websites for route building can help, too (some areas are better in other tools)
- Google Maps Satellite and Street View for checking road surface
- "Recalculate elevation" to make sure, the total height is correct
- No Downhill Pavè steeper than -2 (can cause bugs)
- No Pavè and KOM/IS on same Kilometer (can cause bugs)
- Race Name and City Name only use letters A-Z (special letters can cause bugs)

Some recent things from my last 3 editions
- 2018 & 2019 did not have the legendary "Camino de la Muerte" so you can think about including it
- 2017-2019 all had balanced TT (some TT but not too much), but you can of course put a lot of TT or no TT how you like
- Be prepared for toxic players, who blame you for the race, no matter how you design.
- You may want to quit December Tour 2020 contest. I designed Andes 2017 & Dec Tour 2017. That made me feel bad about winning Dec Tour. Others want a chance, too :)
- It's an expensive off-season tour. IS and/or KOM and/or Half Stages can be good for managers.
- Something for smaller non-mountain teams can be good for participation. (escape stages, sprint stages, hill sprint stages)
- Have fun designing! It's a lot of research, but you can get a really unique route in the end.

Anything I forgot? Just ask :)
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2020

Post by el Galactico » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:49 pm

I am definitely interested. I know the Andes from some years ago and instantly had some nice ideas where to go.
Just not sure I would have the time to do it but as you say November is still a long way ahead.

Anyway, when Tukh wants to do it & he was the first person to show interest, then he should get a shot on designing the race.
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2020

Post by Tukhtahuaev » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:25 pm

Thanks for the detailled post, Gipfel.

As the calendar dictator has forbidden me to design a December Tour this time, the Andes are perfect for me. Would be nice to try something new to me in unfamiliar territories.

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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:18 pm

Actually I'm only the Dec-Tour dictator for the moment....

But as Dec-tour dictator I have more news too.

Tukh of course is forbidden to participate this year. Winning 2018+19 is enough, give others a chance.

Usually the Andestour designer is not allowed to participate either. But of course Gipfel did in 2017, while designing the Andes.
So the new rule is: If you design the Andes, you are allowed to participate once in 3 years. That means if Tukh would continue to design the Andes in 2021, he still would be allowed to join the Dec tour in 2021. Or in 2022. But not both. 2023 then allowed again anyway, since the 3 years (20-22) are over...but well, irrelevant now in 2020, I might make completely new rules by 2023
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2020

Post by Hanse » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:43 pm

Im fine with either one Gala or Tukh to design anden tour. So how to we solve this?^^
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2020

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:15 pm

Hanse wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:43 pm
Im fine with either one Gala or Tukh to design anden tour. So how to we solve this?^^
I think Gala gave the right answer :)
el Galactico wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:49 pm
Anyway, when Tukh wants to do it & he was the first person to show interest, then he should get a shot on designing the race.
If we had many many interested designers, would make sense to do some selection process. But when I took over in 2017, there was basically no one who had time for it. Not easy to find somebody who wants to do it, has time for it and is an experienced designer. Tukh already raised his hand last year and he designed a lot in the past (successfully) so please do it Tukh!

Gala of course now a candidate to replace him if Tukh runs out of ideas in the future :) Other option is that previous designers like Cerro or Alk raise their hand.

In the meantime, Gala, you and I can compete for December Tour :D
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Re: Campeonato de los Andes 2020

Post by el Galactico » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:40 pm

December Tour sounds good to me :D

If I have time I will try to design one :)
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