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January 2024
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:32 pm
by Gipfelstuermer
Final PDF
January 2024
Races to be designed:
Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana
Races to be checked:
Re: January 2024
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:40 pm
by Gipfelstuermer
15th December. I am on time. Wooohoo.
Some thoughts:
January Tour: Arakan Tour. Now 11 days instead of 13. Did OL already mention which days to be cut? And was there a wish for a particular time? Otherwise I put 4 editions but different times than December Tour to be fair.
TDU: Early this year. First stage race. 4 editions seems logical. Times can be discussed.
Valenciana / Besseges: We had 2 editions each last year. I think Valenciana could have 3 this year (more active teams than last year this time) and it's higher category than Besseges.
Mallorca Challenge: First relevant one-day-races of the year. 5 editions during the week and 4 editions on weekend still the equilibrium? I think so.
Cyclocross: Selected the 4 races in which all of the big three (MVDP, VanAert, Pidcock) have announced their participation. 2 editions when there is a parallel stage race. 3 editions when there is no parallel stage race and it's during the week. Probably no Cyclocross in February then, except maybe the World Championships in the Czech Republic.
Re: January 2024
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2023 6:58 pm
by olmania
Races to be designed:
Santos Tour Down Under => all info available :
https://tourdownunder.com.au/race/mens/stages
Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana => all info here :
https://vueltacv.com/etapa-1-75-vcv/
Etoile de Bessèges - Tour du Gard => asks for an email and details to send gpx files
Cyclocross Zonhoven
Cyclocross Benidorm
Ruta de la Cerámica - Gran Premio Castellón => official presentation the 18/12
unsure I will have time to design before the 27th, but if I find time, I might do something from that list.
Re: January 2024
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:46 pm
by C.Pommes
I can design the TDU if wanted.
Didnt design any Real Tours Yet, so if thats a problem text me.
Re: January 2024
Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 12:54 am
by Gipfelstuermer
C.Pommes wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:46 pm
I can design the TDU if wanted.
Didnt design any Real Tours Yet, so if thats a problem text me.
Would be nice if you have time for it.
Designing real tours is a bit different. More time needed for finding information, checking percentages and bonifications. You can post your design in this thread and then others can comment/help.
Re: January 2024
Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 9:10 am
by flockmastoR
wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 6:58 pm
OLcycle(21:32): 18h would be ok
Re: January 2024
Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:51 pm
by lennylenny
Cadel Evans Great Ocean Road Race exact same route as the one i drew for this year, also climbs and sprints at same spots as last year
Mallorca Challenge races (all gpx on website):
Calvia same as last year
Ses Salines seems to be a new one
Serra Tramuntana shifted a bit comared to last year, less flat in beginning, but some extra flat after last climb/downhill
Andratx new course
Trofeo Palma same as last year except 8 more completely flat km added to the finish
i could start with the new courses of Mallorca Challenge tomorrow, would be great if someone could assign (a copy of) last years profile for Trofeo Palma to me
Re: January 2024
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:49 am
by Gipfelstuermer
lennylenny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:51 pm
i could start with the new courses of Mallorca Challenge tomorrow, would be great if someone could assign (a copy of) last years profile for Trofeo Palma to me
Copied them and you should see them in the Editor. Let me know if something doesn't work.
Re: January 2024
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:51 am
by C.Pommes
I made the first Stage of TDU.
Feedback would be nice, the Menglers Hill is 78 m Ascent with an average of 3.8 % but with a max of 14 %.
I made it now with 3% and 5%, seems for me the best way but feel free to correct me.
Re: January 2024
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:48 pm
by Gipfelstuermer
same as 2023
same as 2023 (but we did not ride it)
Re: January 2024
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:12 pm
by olmania
Re: January 2024
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:35 pm
by olmania
C.Pommes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:51 am
I made the first Stage of TDU.
Feedback would be nice, the Menglers Hill is 78 m Ascent with an average of 3.8 % but with a max of 14 %.
I made it now with 3% and 5%, seems for me the best way but feel free to correct me.
Hi !
You asked for a little feedback.
You can rename the stage to give a nice name without the '_'
About Menglers Hill, it's not easy, as it's a quite irregular climb.
I just checked the details of the climb, and from its really bottom (before Angaston), I'd draw something like : 1/1/3/2/2/0/1/3/0/6
6% at the end because the last km seems a lot steeper (with 250 near 12%), but that's only my interpretation; in fact most sprinters wouldn't be dropped there, so 5% is totally fine to me too. The rest is irregular but quite flatish (the steep sections are really short).
It's not easy to design such climbs
Re: January 2024
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:55 am
by flockmastoR
Hey, have a question about the January tour, as it is shown with 8 riders in the pdf while Ol created it for 9 riders. Typically it is designers choice for the December tour. Would go for 9 riders then... Let me know if it should be 8 riders for some reasons
Re: January 2024
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:30 am
by Gipfelstuermer
flockmastoR wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:55 am
Hey, have a question about the January tour, as it is shown with 8 riders in the pdf while Ol created it for 9 riders. Typically it is designers choice for the December tour. Would go for 9 riders then... Let me know if it should be 8 riders for some reasons
Can be 9 riders, no problem.
Explanation: Each recurring event has a pre-specified number of riders. That's usually the number shown in the PDF (unless I change it manually). For real races and off-season classics it makes life easier because it is normally the same every year. Only for Dec- & Jan-Tour it is different, because it's designer choice and can change from year to year.
Re: January 2024
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:38 am
by flockmastoR
Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:30 am
flockmastoR wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:55 am
Hey, have a question about the January tour, as it is shown with 8 riders in the pdf while Ol created it for 9 riders. Typically it is designers choice for the December tour. Would go for 9 riders then... Let me know if it should be 8 riders for some reasons
Can be 9 riders, no problem.
Explanation: Each recurring event has a pre-specified number of riders. That's usually the number shown in the PDF (unless I change it manually). For real races and off-season classics it makes life easier because it is normally the same every year. Only for Dec- & Jan-Tour it is different, because it's designer choice and can change from year to year.
Fine. I also noticed that the name is overwritten when assigning a tag. Most times it is reasonable. But for January tour it was not. Just that anybody knows that
Re: January 2024
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:25 pm
by Gipfelstuermer
flockmastoR wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:38 am
Fine. I also noticed that the name is overwritten when assigning a tag. Most times it is reasonable. But for January tour it was not. Just that anybody knows that
The tag is not 100% ideal for that, because the database cannot know the name and number of riders for Dec and Jan Tour. But I would suggest to keep the tag even for Dec and Jan Tour, because it allows us to have the race history (I included that for the December Tour now with full history 2009 until today).
Re: January 2024
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:34 pm
by flockmastoR
Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:25 pm
flockmastoR wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:38 am
Fine. I also noticed that the name is overwritten when assigning a tag. Most times it is reasonable. But for January tour it was not. Just that anybody knows that
The tag is not 100% ideal for that, because the database cannot know the name and number of riders for Dec and Jan Tour. But I would suggest to keep the tag even for Dec and Jan Tour, because it allows us to have the race history (I included that for the December Tour now with full history 2009 until today).
Yeah it's fine as it is. Just didn't know the overwritting thing yet
Re: January 2024
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:48 pm
by cataracs
Arakan tour is 8 riders, not 9?
Re: January 2024
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:50 pm
by flockmastoR
cataracs wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:48 pm
Arakan tour is 8 riders, not 9?
it's 9 riders by designer choice, the pdf is wrong on that due to the event tag we were just discussing about!
Re: January 2024
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:56 pm
by cataracs
flockmastoR wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:50 pm
cataracs wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:48 pm
Arakan tour is 8 riders, not 9?
it's 9 riders by designer choice, the pdf is wrong on that due to the event tag we were just discussing about!
It's showing 8 in the planned calendar that's why I'm asking
Re: January 2024
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:02 pm
by flockmastoR
cataracs wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:56 pm
flockmastoR wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:50 pm
cataracs wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:48 pm
Arakan tour is 8 riders, not 9?
it's 9 riders by designer choice, the pdf is wrong on that due to the event tag we were just discussing about!
It's showing 8 in the planned calendar that's why I'm asking
Ah thx. Ok probably it changed there as well. But I re-check with Ol
Re: January 2024
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:26 pm
by Gipfelstuermer
Final PDF.
Very early this time (because of Christmas Holidays and January seems uncontroversial so far).
All unchanged, except Jan Tour 9 riders.
Re: January 2024
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:41 pm
by Gipfelstuermer
same as 2023, except that it's with two more KOMs.
https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/10 ... rseillaise
new in the cx calendar
Re: January 2024
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 1:37 am
by C.Pommes
Re: January 2024
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:20 pm
by lennylenny
Trofeo Calvia
a few climb categorizations were left out and replaced by other and IS also moved and were added
Trofeo Palma
roadbook shows a few new IS and no cat4 at km21 like 2023, but instead one later, also added 8 more flat km
those were the easier ones, other ones following next few days, maybe one more today
