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Final PDF
September 2023

Too many parallel races, but the European Peace Ride takes part on the second weekend of September, it's already designed (as seen in my profile). But we can move this short 3 day/half fantasy tour of course

Some general notes and answering to Chemnitz.

Parallel stage races to Vuelta: Only Benelux in August. One day races in September are high category so more parallel stage races not really needed and prefer to have good participation in those classic races. There is no stage race that is short enough and fits between classics, otherwise would be possible.

@Chemnitz: So EPR from 8th to 10th really bad timing. Could ride it on a different date perhaps, but when? And even if we ride it e.g. 5th to 7th, I think only one evening edition makes sense? Perhaps 2 editions possible and then one day races again only 3 editions during those days. But would need some teams to say that they want to ride it and at which time.

Continental Championships: We have nothing implemented for this and doesn't make sense to ride them in normal race Format. Maybe in the future they can be ridden either in a format like the NCs, or in a format like the WCs.

Langkawi vs Lux & Cro Opted for Lux & Cro because two shorter stage races seem to make more sense than one long stage race after 3 weeks Vuelta. Offer something to managers who like shorter stage races. Langkawi and Lux are both same category (2.Pro) also.

Same as 2022 but first time ridden in c4f this year


Same as 2022


Same as 2022


Same as 2022


Same as 2022


Same as 2022


New Route 2023

Times: 10-14-18-21 3 times in a row for the classics from 08.09.-10.09. IMO not ideal. Weekend in 2 cases, so Sat or Sun a try with something like 10-13-17-21 or 11-14-18-21 would be possible no? But ok, weekend, so people less tied to their usual schedule, so 3 times the same here works too. Weekdays variation more important.

12.09. 11-16 FL used to tell me it's bad. Either or, both times are bad for office players, 11 the race goes into the lunch break, 16 the race goes into overtime. It's tempting to put in 11-16, I did it too, until FL's argument convinced me. (maybe did it by mistake later too) But now I'm convinced, either or on weekdays!

17.-19. All 3 races on the 17. in reality. IMO 1 one the 17th, 2 on the 18th better then. 2+2 or 3+3 editions total on the 18th then, 2 on the 17th of course better, but it being a Sunday and the Vuelta still on.... 2 on the 18th makes more sense.

And maybe on the 28th, with Croatia parallel, still do 2 of the 3 races scheduled on that day with 2 editions each. No cat 4+ race there, so IMO ok to have 2 races on the same day, for the moment for cat 4+ plus cat 3- on the same day I would do what you do, move the lower cat race.

Same case for GP de Wallonie-Toscana and Primus (missing)-Pantani. Here parallel to the Vuelta, so maybe a bit different than only parallel to Croatia,

Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:45 am

Too many parallel races, but the European Peace Ride takes part on the second weekend of September, it's already designed (as seen in my profile). But we can move this short 3 day/half fantasy tour of course

Would propose to ride it as one day races, but profiles are a bit too similar to put it in on three consecutive days . Otherwise I am no fan of riding fantasy stage races during the season.

flockmastoR wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:36 am

Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:45 am

Too many parallel races, but the European Peace Ride takes part on the second weekend of September, it's already designed (as seen in my profile). But we can move this short 3 day/half fantasy tour of course

Would propose to ride it as one day races, but profiles are a bit too similar to put it in on three consecutive days . Otherwise I am no fan of riding fantasy stage races during the season.

We've rode it in the middle of October last year. I could live with that as well.

Largely new route, so re-designed. But the key climbs at the end remain the same.

Le Helles 6*
Marta 8
Longeo 7
Bosse de Rostervel 5
Bosse du Lezot 5

So Designer RKL, Gip and Mintact remaining 30k before finish.

Same as 2022

@Roby: If you read here, is it normal that many of the Italian one day races do not even have a functioning website? Did you always wait for la flamme rouge then? Or at some point (couple of days before) just assume route is unchanged to previous year ?

It's normal that they are late, yes.
So wait until they have something online usually. And usually stuff comes online at least a week before the race, so no need to assume it's unchanged, I think, but no guarantee, that in the end we usually got new infos.

Final PDF online.

Everything that's designed is online.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:39 am

Final PDF
September 2023

Races to be designed:
Skoda Tour Luxembourg
Cro Race

Races to be checked:
Giro della Toscana - Memorial Alfredo Martini
Grand Prix de Wallonie
Gran Premio città di Peccioli - Coppa Sabatini
Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen
Memorial Marco Pantani
Trofeo Matteotti
Grand Prix d'Isbergues - Pas de Calais
Gooikse Pijl
Coppa Agostoni - Giro delle Brianze
Grand Prix Cerami
Giro dell'Emilia

But still lots to do, so help appreciated.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:29 am

12.09. 11-16 FL used to tell me it's bad. Either or, both times are bad for office players, 11 the race goes into the lunch break, 16 the race goes into overtime. It's tempting to put in 11-16, I did it too, until FL's argument convinced me. (maybe did it by mistake later too) But now I'm convinced, either or on weekdays!

17.-19. All 3 races on the 17. in reality. IMO 1 one the 17th, 2 on the 18th better then. 2+2 or 3+3 editions total on the 18th then, 2 on the 17th of course better, but it being a Sunday and the Vuelta still on.... 2 on the 18th makes more sense.

Good suggestions, so I changed that for the Final PDF.

checked on the weekend if i could do anything, but
Luxembourg only had a pdf map that isn't very detailed,
nothing on Cro Race,
italian races i gave up after checking 3 of them, either website 404 error or only 2022 posts,
Isbergues is kinda similar to 2022, but not the same
Gooikse Pijl had no info

i just checked Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen and it has the same curcuit, but only 11 instead of 14 laps, so that could be done pretty quickly, 165.7km in length

lennylenny wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:24 am

Isbergues is kinda similar to 2022, but not the same

i just checked Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen and it has the same curcuit, but only 11 instead of 14 laps, so that could be done pretty quickly, 165.7km in length

Cool, I didn't find the info on those two. Assigned the 2022 profiles to you in the new editor in case you have time to design the 2023 profiles.

This way you can copy & paste from the 2022 profile into a new 2023 profile. Hope it helps.

I can do Luxembourg. Will add the stages to this post when I'm ready.

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Stage 1: Luxembourg - Luxembourg-Kirchberg,
Mintact: 146

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Stage 2: Mondorf-Les_Bains - Mamer
Mintact: 170

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Stage 3: Mertert - Vianden
Mintact: 134

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Stage 4: Pétange - Pétange
Mintact: 1

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Stage 5: Mersch - Luxembourg Limpertsberg
Mintact: 140

Did ITT and Roadrace European Championships - you can see it in my trash races.
Would call it "European Open" so every rider could ride it.
Its also in editor if we want to ride.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:00 am

lennylenny wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:24 am

Isbergues is kinda similar to 2022, but not the same

i just checked Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen and it has the same curcuit, but only 11 instead of 14 laps, so that could be done pretty quickly, 165.7km in length

Cool, I didn't find the info on those two. Assigned the 2022 profiles to you in the new editor in case you have time to design the 2023 profiles.

This way you can copy & paste from the 2022 profile into a new 2023 profile. Hope it helps.

definitely helped for Vlaanderen, Roadbook shows a slight uphill on last km and ridewithgps shows 7m of elevation on last km, so kept it at the +1 where it was cut off naturally anyway

Maybe calling the Circuit Franco Belge "flat" isn't the best idea?

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:11 am

Maybe calling the Circuit Franco Belge "flat" isn't the best idea?

Is it possible that this is related to the event tag? When you chose an event it automatically adjusts the "info". But not sure how earlier versions of this race had been.

A mix of the 2021 ans 2022 versions



Same as 2022

I Know its voluntarily work here, but it will be great, if we have at every moment races of the next two days in the calendar. If you have under 50 Reg, you dont know, if your rider is maybe good for the race in two days.

schappy wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 10, 2023 7:07 pm

I Know its voluntarily work here, but it will be great, if we have at every moment races of the next two days in the calendar. If you have under 50 Reg, you dont know, if your rider is maybe good for the race in two days.

Published very late by race organisers

same route as 2022



new route 2023



same route as 2022

same route as 2020



changed route 2023

new route, but final circuit remains the same

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:39 am

Final PDF
September 2023

Races to be designed:
Cro Race

Races to be checked:
Grand Prix Cerami

Cro Race is on flamme rouge. Maybe someone has time? I am not sure I could finish it in time.

GP Cerami no info nowhere so far. Will be 2019 version if nothing comes online at all. As the race has not taken place since covid in real life and not in 2022 in c4f.

Then can focus on October already.