August 2022

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August 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:14 pm

No PDF preview I fear, so a copy&paste in the next post.

Check this one regularly for what needs to be designed.

Needs to be checked and eventually designed, not on la flamme rouge yet at this point:

c4f name, the real name is similar enough so you can find it yourself on la flamme rouge. Save with the c4f name if possible!


GP Hamburg
Zottegem
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Re: August 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:35 pm

01.08.22 10-14-19-22 Pologne 3 8
02.08.22 10-14-19-22 Pologne 3 8
03.08.22 10-14-19-22 Pologne 3 8
04.08.22 10-14-19-22 Pologne 3 8
05.08.22 10-14-19-22 Pologne 3 8
06.08.22
07.08.22 Jef Scheerens 2 8
08.08.22
09.08.22
10.08.22 Eurometropole 2 8
11.08.22
12.08.22
13.08.22
14.08.22 Polynormande 2 8
15.08.22
16.08.22
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18.08.22
19.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9
20.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9
21.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9 9-14-19-22 GP Hamburg 5 9
22.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9 Schaal Sels 2 8
23.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9 Egmont Zottegem 2 8
24.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9 Overijse 2 8
25.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9
26.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9
27.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9
28.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9 9-14-19-22 Bretagne Classic 5 9
29.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9
30.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9
31.08.22 10-15-18-21 Vuelta 5 9


Vuelta: 10-15-18-21. Of course every time can be changed. The times of the 2 parallel classics then would be changed accordingly.

Cat 5 classics 3 or 4 editions? 3 might be better, Sundays used to be rather weak in participation, don't think that changed, even if I won't go and check that with our current calendar page, would take me too long. If 3, idea for times (I'd go for 11-16-20 and 13-19-22 or something, depending on the Vuelta times of course.

Benelux: Originally planned from 29.08-04.09, but cancelled. What to do? Precedent from covid times would be ride another tour that is not cancelled at that time. That would mean Deutschland, but that's 24-28th, so parallel with Bretagne, not ideal at all. So Poitou Charentes 23-26? Benelux from last year IMO should be last option, if it's cancelled it's cancelled, we're not really in Covid cancellation times anymore, so short time cancellations should be treated as they were before Covid, if it's out before the PDF is made, finalized, then it's out. But of course it would be the easiest from a designing point of view. Anyway, what? If something how many editions, being parallel to the Vuelta I'd go for 2, one evening (so 20/21/22 depending on when the Vuelta is, and one probably in the morning* (although needs to be checked, what times missed what so far this year) Or one of my old unpopular favorites: 12...

Schaal SelsMoved 1 day, parallel to Hamburg in reality. We don't have the numbers.

Tour de l'Ain or Arctic Race of Norway For the moment clearly out. Date wise fits, 09.-11. for Ain, 11.-14. Arctic, one of the 2 could be in. Could, because right now they are not. For the simple reason that I already see it coming that I would be the guy forced to design it at the end. While thanks to Lenny and Hansa, but also Gala at least the fantasy flat races don't have to be designed by me anymore, overall I'm still left with too much for my taste. Just remember, it's not my job. to design, it's my job to put the races online.
And no, now don't go and design THAT, Ain or Arctic, if you want it in, design Poland, design parts of the Vuelta, designing shit races you want in while ignoring the more important ones that are in will not help c4f in the long run (I will leave out everything in September, then to have it in you'll have to design it first.

Plan is to finalize the calendar on the 25th, stuff online after that.

In the meantime comment on times for the Vuelta and the other issues mentioned above.
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Re: August 2022

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:12 am

Some opinions:

Vuelta... Design important because people want it for form settings... will open a separate thread... 18-21 seems a bit "early" to me as the evening remains most popular. 22 is the most popular time at the moment I think. 18-22, 19-22 or even 20-22 sounds better to me. But I'm more of an afternoon team at the moment. Let's see if evening teams have impressions/opinions.

Parallel Tour: Deutschland not perfect in terms of its dates but with the game being relatively German at the moment... lots of German teams I mean... potentially some comebackers (often German) showing up... could be a reason for Deutschland Tour.

Arctic or Ain... Would probably prefer Arctic. But just my personal taste. Other opinions appreciated.

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Re: August 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:49 pm

Vuelta times:

Participation in Giro-Tour if my dividing skills are still ok....

Morning 9: 8+7
Afternoon 15-14: 9-8
Early evening 18-19: 9-8
Evening: 21-22: 11-11

Giro generally more popular, not surprising, the more important race after all. Surprising only that the difference wasn't bigger :lol: Well, less active teams maybe.

Early evening, 18/19 has had 9+8 teams.
Evening has had 11 both times:

That means that we won't have 20-22, there is no reason to cut the established and well working 18/19 to add 20. 20 of course would do very well as well. Ok, if every single team that started at 18 or 19 says they'd prefer 20, ok, but unless that happens, no. Once we're back at 5 times... 20 will surely have it's comeback.

18-21
19-22

That's the options IMO. 18-22 could happen, but that popular 19-20-21 as an empty hole is clearly very bad. But if a clear majority of early evening demands 18, while a clear majority of evening wants 22. I'll define clear btw, we need common sense after all. Not Manghanism. 19-21 is a bit close, would give some guys the choice between 2, but due to the smaller area covered by the net, might not catch us many fish I fear. Up to those riding there to post their opinion.

Morning 9+11 of course are possible, if demanded. Expect 9 to be the most popular, so that's what it will be, but in the spirit of changing starting times I start by proposing 10

AFternoon the same 14 and 16 possible, don't expect 16 to be popular, was always the least popular, so no proposal, but basically it will be what people riding there demand...
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Re: August 2022

Post by RS Coesitz » Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:41 am

For the Vuelta as always: will be happier with 9 instead of 10 and happier with 22 instead of 21. Can´t say when I will ride right now anyway, but this makes is personally more possible.

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Re: August 2022

Post by el Galactico » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:54 pm

My vote goes to 22h for the evening Vuelta.
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Re: August 2022

Post by Bear » Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:43 pm

I probably not ride the Vuelta. But if I do, 21 and 22 works both.

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Re: August 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:06 pm

Update:

Times now
9/10 (1 for 9, but I'm for 10, so draw :lol:, even if I won't ride there for sure, just to change, there MIGHT be people who never say anything but prefer 10. But ok, next guy that shows up until the 25th asking for 9h makes it 9h
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Still can changes.

No other change in the copy&paste preview above.
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Re: August 2022

Post by RS Coesitz » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:45 pm

Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:12 am
Some opinions:

Vuelta... Design important because people want it for form settings... will open a separate thread... 18-21 seems a bit "early" to me as the evening remains most popular. 22 is the most popular time at the moment I think. 18-22, 19-22 or even 20-22 sounds better to me. But I'm more of an afternoon team at the moment. Let's see if evening teams have impressions/opinions.

Parallel Tour: Deutschland not perfect in terms of its dates but with the game being relatively German at the moment... lots of German teams I mean... potentially some comebackers (often German) showing up... could be a reason for Deutschland Tour.

Arctic or Ain... Would probably prefer Arctic. But just my personal taste. Other opinions appreciated.

Edit and important: Can we put 2 or 3 TTTs before the start of Vuelta? Not sure if we have tested it enough since we implemented it in React...
No tour in the second half of September - why not riding Germany or Benelux there? Or is Luxemburg/Britain planned later than scheduled?

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Re: August 2022

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:58 pm

RS Coesitz wrote:
Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:45 pm

No tour in the second half of September - why not riding Germany or Benelux there? Or is Luxemburg/Britain planned later than scheduled?
You are thinking ahead. Britain parallel to Vuelta (4th to 11th). Luxembourg after Vuelta (13th to 17th). Then the World Championship week. Then Croatia (27 - 02 Oct).

Those are the dates. Should we ride Germany/Benelux there? Less likely I think... What will be ridden in September? I guess Robyklebt will start the discussion on that in August.
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Re: August 2022

Post by Alkworld » Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:18 am

Here's another vote for Vuelta at 9am. And this time no switching to the afternoon after voting for 9 ... 😉

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Re: August 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:26 am

Update on the 24th..

Vuelta now 9-15-19-22 the favorite.

The 2 parallel classics change accordingly.

21.08.22 10-14-18-21 GP Hamburg 5 9

28.08.22 10-14-18-21 Bretagne Classic 5 9

Rest of the calendar stays at it is.

No other tour. Which will most likely result in a storm of whining and lots of temper tantrums in 3 days or so. I posted the first proposal 10 days ago.
I said clearly enough what's needed to have it in, design Poland design the Vuelta, then we can put other stuff in, once it's clear that not everything or too much keeps being handed to me to design.
Only Lenny, nice job. But not enough from others, so nothing in. Because if I put it in, in the end I will have to design it. No deal, not my job. I will have enough to do with helping finishing the Vuelta and then checking and designing 1 day race.
And no, we're not going to add anything on the 29th. Goal is always to have the calendar finalized on the 25th, we're almost always 1-2 days late... but not 4.

Now with the Vuelta who should be finished tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest.... if NOW somebody decides to design either ARctic or Ain, ok, put it in. Announce it until tomorrow. Then design it until at the very latest the 30st or 31st morning. Ok. I won't design a single meter of those things. One day races need to be checked and done. Don't bother requesting without designing.

Parallel to the Vuelta. Only option is Limousin or more likely Denmark, same deal. Germany overlaps with Plouay, we definitely don't have enough managers for that. Actually doubt we have enough for a parallel tour, but ok, same deal as above. Somebody promises to design it, then I put it in. Of course if that person then doesn't design it I'll ask for a 2 weeks ban from the game for that person for sabotage of the game. Same deal for Arctic Ain.
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Re: August 2022

Post by Laugenspitze » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:36 am

@Roby, have you already checked one of my races?

If it`s ok, I could do l' Ain. No prob with 30.07. Even earlier.
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Re: August 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:57 pm

OK, that's an announcement? Then go for it.
Didn't check any races of your races, too much work, I'm sure they are ok.... I'll check Ain for 5 min if you want

Ain in, designed by Laugenspitze, times 10-14-18-21
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Re: August 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:56 pm

Vuelta:

99% sure it will be finished tomorrow.
People who like to check for pavé, and other stuff hurry up and check!

For the moment no IS there.

So IMO best thing to do is: Wait for checks, %, pavé, other stuff for 24-36h once everything is finished. Then put online.

So online on the 26th, for form setting etc.
After the month change take it offline again, on the first of August ideally... before people start inscribing. Add the IS when they become available, streamline the GPM, figure out what stage is classified as what.. But don't change anything else, no changes in last kms, so that the design that was on over the month change is the one we then end up riding. So changes to the design, incl. mintacts (with arguments...) should be proposed before it goes online the first time!
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Re: August 2022

Post by IDF » Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:36 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:26 am
Update on the 24th..

Vuelta now 9-15-19-22 the favorite.

The 2 parallel classics change accordingly.

21.08.22 10-14-18-21 GP Hamburg 5 9

28.08.22 10-14-18-21 Bretagne Classic 5 9

Rest of the calendar stays at it is.

No other tour. Which will most likely result in a storm of whining and lots of temper tantrums in 3 days or so. I posted the first proposal 10 days ago.
I said clearly enough what's needed to have it in, design Poland design the Vuelta, then we can put other stuff in, once it's clear that not everything or too much keeps being handed to me to design.
Only Lenny, nice job. But not enough from others, so nothing in. Because if I put it in, in the end I will have to design it. No deal, not my job. I will have enough to do with helping finishing the Vuelta and then checking and designing 1 day race.
And no, we're not going to add anything on the 29th. Goal is always to have the calendar finalized on the 25th, we're almost always 1-2 days late... but not 4.

Now with the Vuelta who should be finished tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest.... if NOW somebody decides to design either ARctic or Ain, ok, put it in. Announce it until tomorrow. Then design it until at the very latest the 30st or 31st morning. Ok. I won't design a single meter of those things. One day races need to be checked and done. Don't bother requesting without designing.

Parallel to the Vuelta. Only option is Limousin or more likely Denmark, same deal. Germany overlaps with Plouay, we definitely don't have enough managers for that. Actually doubt we have enough for a parallel tour, but ok, same deal as above. Somebody promises to design it, then I put it in. Of course if that person then doesn't design it I'll ask for a 2 weeks ban from the game for that person for sabotage of the game. Same deal for Arctic Ain.
For sure, put a threat to people is a way better idea.
And btw : i've designed 1 fantasy tour and some races, still no ones on calendar. :)

And if you're unhappy or if the stuff calendar requires too much, ask someone to help you to handle this.
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Re: August 2022

Post by Laugenspitze » Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:56 am

Tour de l´Ain

I've finished the thing now. First stage is rather flat with a (3-8) and a (4-5) hill. The second is a medium mountain stage (7 to 9) and the third is a mountain stage (7-10). On the last stage I lost a few kilometers somewhere :D . But they are not decisive! 7 riders per team, I think?

Etappe 1:
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File: ogo_ain_2022_etappe01.c4f - - - - - @Roby: I fixed the altitude problem, was a *Denkfehler* of mine :)


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File: ogo_ain_2022_etappe02.c4f

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File: ogo_ain_2022_etappe03.c4f - - - - - @Roby: die Apostrophe etc. hab ich noch alle nachträglich entfernt - überall.
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Re: August 2022

Post by Hansa » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:18 am

Laugenspitze wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:56 am
But they are not decisive! 7 riders per team, I think?

looked up last year start list it was 6 riders per team, i think in RSF we still go with +1 than the real life Number? so 7 sounds good
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Re: August 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:20 am

Thanks!
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Re: August 2022

Post by lennylenny » Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:20 am

something seems messed up for Trollstigen Hillclimb ITT, it is in the game twice on the same day, once with Norwegian flag like it should be and once with Danish flag, perhaps aftermath of Bornholm in July which had Trollstigen profile
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Re: August 2022

Post by Schartner Bombe » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:11 pm

Alkworld wrote:
Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:18 am
Here's another vote for Vuelta at 9am. And this time no switching to the afternoon after voting for 9 ... 😉
09.00 too

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Re: August 2022

Post by IDF » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:52 pm

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Tour de l´Ain

I've finished the thing now. First stage is rather flat with a (3-8) and a (4-5) hill. The second is a medium mountain stage (7 to 9) and the third is a mountain stage (7-10). On the last stage I lost a few kilometers somewhere :D . But they are not decisive! 7 riders per team, I think?

Etappe 1:
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File: ogo_ain_2022_etappe01.c4f - - - - - @Roby: I fixed the altitude problem, was a *Denkfehler* of mine :)


Etappe 2:
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File: ogo_ain_2022_etappe02.c4f

Etappe 3:
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File: ogo_ain_2022_etappe03.c4f - - - - - @Roby: die Apostrophe etc. hab ich noch alle nachträglich entfernt - überall.
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Re: August 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:37 pm

Lenny, Troll... TT, ok, will take it out and put it on again later, but probably not today.
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Re: August 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:04 pm

Ain online, 8 riders though, the rule is reality +1 but also mostly 8 riders for cat 2-3.... So 8 it is.
More online tomorrow, incl. Vuelta temporarily.

See first post to see what is left to design for August. (not much online at least on la flamme rouge yet)
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Re: August 2022

Post by IDF » Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:56 am

Tour of Norway designed tonight.

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