May 2022

[Robyklebt]

To be designed or checked:

All done or being worked on.

[Robyklebt]

06.05 - 29.05 Giro d'Italia

Times: 9-15-?-?

For the morning we always get demands for 9, not 10 so 9 (But will propose 10 again for Tour or Vuelta)

Afternoon we had 3 (?) guys preferring 15 over 14 so far, 1 for 14.

Both can be changed with enough feedback here of course.

Early evening and evening related, 18-21 or 19-22, what's more popular for the guys riding?

No other tours offered, makes no sense


One day races

Some on the same day in reality, change in those cases with the Giro parallel. c4f dates if not original in red. 4 editions, as usual write the times only for classics, cat 4 up.

01.05 Eschborn-Frankfurt cat 4 9-15-18-21
14.05 Grand Prix du Morbihan cat 2
15.05 Tro-Bro Léon cat 3
21.05 Veenendaal-Veenendaal Classic cat 2 20.05
21.05 Tour du Finistère cat 2
22.05 Rund um Köln cat 2
22.05 Boucles de l'Aulne - Châteaulin cat 2 23.05
22.05 Antwerp Port Epic / Sels Trophy cat 2 24.05
26.05 Circuit de Wallonie cat 2
29.05 Grote Prijs Marcel Kint cat 2
31.05 Mercan'Tour Classic Alpes-Maritimes cat 2

Hope didn't forget any.. if yes mention it early.... Categories. can be discussed too, took the ones from last year.

[waer]

good morning i prefere 18-21
thanks

[Hansa]

Moja also would like to ride at 15h.
14h would not be possible for him because of work.

I would like 18h for the evening but 19h would also be possible for me

[Chense]

For me 19 would fit better but also 18 can be done

[Mangahn]

18-21 would be better. Because of 21, which is better than 22.
I don´t believe I will go a GT at famalytime.

[Bear]

21 or 22 both ok for me. I plan to start even if I cant be online 4-5 stages out of the last 5 days.

[Robyklebt]

Other thing:

01.05 Eschborn-Frankfurt cat 4 9-15-18-21

With Romandie parallel, even a 1 team edition on Wednesday with just Alps, 2 edition parallel... should we try just 3 editions for Frankfurt? A Sunday, generally less well visited anyway, and Frankfurt is not really such a big draw either.
14-19-22 for Romandie
If 3 editions 9/10-15/16-20/21? Or let it be at 4?

Frankfurt same parcours as 2021 btw, go and check in the calendar online yourself.. .not posting it here.

[Robyklebt]

Tro Bro Leon with small changes again, so redraw. Same principle as usual, ** for everything, adjusted by length, so some *

[olaf]

prefer 22 for giro

[L RSV]

I prefer 21

[L RSV]

But not sure if I will attend...

[Mangahn]

Gala wünscht 22 Uhr

[flockmastoR]

I guess you already counted me in for the 15:00 afternoon Giro, 14 ok too, but prefer 15

[Robyklebt]

Lots of answers so far good, haven't counted yet though....

Btw, my great masterplan is to offer the "opposite" for the TdF: So since 9-15 seems clear for the Giro, 10-14 for the Tour, and the same for whatever it will be for the Tour....of course that can be changed later too (and probably the morning will protest and get the change) but IMO better not to have the same times for all GTs, so that not always the same guys have it at their not ideal time.

[Robyklebt]

So far it seems to be:

A mess

Waerl 18 (I suppose he cares mostly about early evening, less about late one)
Hansa 18, but 19 ok
Chense 19, but 18 ok


Then Manghi 21 (If I understood his post correctly, family time means 18-19, so evening so 21/22 relevant for him)
L RSV 21, but might not ride.
Olaf and Gala 22

So a preference for 18, and a preference for 22? Both very slight...

We COULD do 18-22, but somehow not sure if the big hole is a good idea. But could be done. Otherwise if we look at it in combination It's basically 2-2 in clear preference, and then there is L who might not ride that makes it 18-21? Or dismiss L? No idea.

Any more opinions/preferences?

Last year it was 18-21, with 8+15 teams (no guarantee, that what the sometimes faulty ingame count says, 108 finishers at 21, Schinkenmutti last)

Tour was 19-22 with 10-13 teams. (Schinkenmutti rode the morning and was second to last)

Anyway, the plan is to put the Giro online on the 26th, changed to 27th now.

Any complaints about the Giro design? (I don't have the energy to check, even if I'm sure I would have stuff to complain about)
Some more opinions would be nice, for more clarity. Even Gala/Olaf/Manghi/Waerl clarifying if there preference means the other option not possible would help. Otherwise I might just throw a dice.... And don't forget that the plan will be to do the other 2 times for the Tour, and there it will take a biggish majority to change that. So if somebody prefers 21 or 22, but prefers the Tour at that time evne more than the Giro..... mention that too!

And check my counting, I'm not an accountant!

[Mangahn]

18 + 21 oder 19 + 22 standen zur Auswahl.

Die Prefferenzen sind recht eindeutig für Auswahl 18 + 21 Uhr. Selbst wenn man zum Teil auch 19 + 22 kann.

Mann muss sich schon sehr anstrengen um aus den Votes etwas kompliziertes und uneindeutiges zu machen.

[Robyklebt]

Hä?

good morning i prefere 18-21

1-0

I would like 18h for the evening but 19h would also be possible for me

2-0

For me 19 would fit better but also 18 can be done

2-1

18-21 would be better. Because of 21, which is better than 22.
I don´t believe I will go a GT at famalytime.

3-1

prefer 22 for giro

3-2

I prefer 21

4-2

But not sure if I will attend...

3,5-2? 4-2? 3-2?

Gala wünscht 22 Uhr

3,5?, 4? 3? - 3

Recht eindeutig? You might want to review that assessment? Or check a dictionary?

It's arschknapp if we count L RSV's vote fully. It's arschknapper if we count it half, since he doesn't know and we can assume that all the others that made their preference known here plan to start. It's a draw if we dismiss L's vote completely.

Then I indeed make an effort for the game (aber sehr anstrengen ist doch zu viel des Lobes, so anstrengend ist das dann doch nicht) and its users, including you, to try to figure out HOW we come to this "pretty clear" result.
18+22 the individually most popular times. Doesn't help much, since as I mentioned 18+22 doesn't seem a good idea really.

So I thought asking for more opinions, people that haven't said anything yet was good. But also thought the question if those that have a preference would still be able to start at the other time might clear up this "pretty clear" preferences we have here.

Didn't realize that was wrong... or did I misunderstand your post and more opinions and clarifications are still ok?

[waer]

for wirk reasons ( i have to wske up at 6 am ) i cant ride after 21 but ican ride 18 or 19 ( better 18)
ciao

[Gipfelstuermer]

Giro 18-21 and TDF 19-22 seems a good idea as July is deeper into the summer (people stay outdoors longer so later times might be better).

On the other hand, you can argue it shouldn't be the same every year, so swap it around.

Just to give you more arguments for both possible decisions

[Robyklebt]

Races until the 8th online

Real races only Frankfurt and Tro Bro Leon, nothing else available on la flamme rouge yet when I last checked. (yesterday)

Giro 9-15-18-21, half point by L RSV decisive.
Since right now it doesn't seem possible to pay for a licence, licence points needed for the Giro down to 10.

Check for mistakes as usual.

[Alkworld]

Since right now it doesn't seem possible to pay for a licence, licence points needed for the Giro down to 10.

If there's a bug currently, I'm for free license for all until this is fixed. Better to keep the players and have them pay again once it's fixed than losing them.

[Robyklebt]

Bug?

It seems (from what I read in the general chat over the last month or so) that Luques bank account is under sanctions, Russian bank. Maybe got it wrong, but from what I gathered from Seven Downs and somebody else's comments a while ago that's what it is.
So not a bug per se, but...

Free licence?

The only thing I can do is put the licence points needed for races all at 0. Which I have already done for a few races in the past weeks.

And just did for the one day races from the first to the 5th. Mostly to see how long it takes: took me 8', for something that before our beloved saboteur of the end of 2019 and early 2020 stuck (his name is OL Cycle for anybody that cares) would have taken less than 2'.... Thanks again! To make up for your trouble you got 17 millions that the fairness committee is letting you keep for your next comeback.....

As you might gather I'm not eager to that admittedly not huge amount of extra work... so if there is another faster way, no problem, you do it on your own.

If there isn't... other opinions? My opinion as calendar assistant is 10 seemed a nice compromise, but can go down to 0 if there's general agreement to do it.
But can't guarantee I'll always be in the mood to spend 6x8'= 48' for 30 races per month for a mind-numbing exercise.

[Robyklebt]

Since right now it doesn't seem possible to pay for a licence, licence points needed for the Giro down to 10.

If there's a bug currently, I'm for free license for all until this is fixed.

Any more opinions? I realize it's not really in the right thread here, but since we started here?

At least on a major topic like this one I would expect more than 2 people to actually have an opinion.....

[Mangahn]

I´m not sure if we have a problem at all.

In the old times you get your licenze the moment you order it. No matter if you pay or not.
If you don´t pay buhmann and co have to stopp your licenze manuell.

If its still this way I wouldn´t care much, take the L and pay later, if its possible again.