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January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:11 am

Luuuuuuuques.....

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Re: January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:21 am

Until Luques posts the PDF, here a hard to read copy and paste

Saturday 01.01.22 11-15-18-21 GP Letztebuerg 3 8
Sunday 02.01.22
Monday 03.01.22 10-14-18-21 Napier Bluff Hill Circuit 3 8
Tuesday 04.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9
Wednesday 05.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9
Thursday 06.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9
Friday 07.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9 9-15-19-22 Hobart Hills 2 7
Saturday 08.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9
Sunday 09.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9
Monday 10.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9
Tuesday 11.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9
Wednesday 12.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9 9-13-17-22 Boucles de Wallis et Futuna 3 8
Thursday 13.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9
Friday 14.01.22 10-14-18-21 January Tour 2 9
Saturday 15.01.22
Sunday 16.01.22 GP de Papeete TTT 2 8
Monday 17.01.22 9-15-19-22 Volta de Sao Paolo 1
Tuesday 18.01.22 9-15-19-22 Volta de Sao Paolo 1
Wednesday 19.01.22 9-15-19-22 Volta de Sao Paolo 1
Thursday 20.01.22 9-15-19-22 Volta de Sao Paolo 1
Friday 21.01.22 9-15-19-22 Volta de Sao Paolo 1
Saturday 22.01.22
Sunday 23.01.22
Monday 24.01.22
Tuesday 25.01.22
Wednesday 26.01.22 Trofeo Calvia 2 8 Festival of Cycling criterium 1 7
Thursday 27.01.22 Trofeo Serra de Tramuntana 2 8 9-15-19-22 Festival of Cycing tour 1 7
Friday 28.01.22 Trofeo Pollença 2 8 9-15-19-22 Festival of Cycing tour 1 7
Saturday 29.01.22 Trofeo Alcudia 2 8 9-15-19-22 Festival of Cycing tour 1 7
Sunday 30.01.22 Trofeo Playa de Palma 2 8
Monday 31.01.22


So January tour. Chense needs to shorten Rasta. 11 days.
Times changed from Dec tour, sounds logic, but as usual can be changed if there's requests.

Fantasy Tour in the middle of the month since otherwise there's a big hole.

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/RSFForum/v ... 25#p108386

Down Under cancelled again this year, so the Festival of Cycling on again. Seems to be 3 days plus the criterium.

San Juan 30.01-06.02 according to PCS
But on 01.02 there's Bessèges and Saudi, from 02.02. Valencia. So the proposal is to have Bessèges and Valencia.

Complaints about times, categories etc. as usual in this thread.
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Re: January 2022

Post by Chense » Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:37 pm

Oh i thought i had understand that this year the second place will not be the january tour :)

So i will have to think a little more there are 2 options for me - Here one question in advance: Would it be possible to move one stage in its place while the tour?

That would be my most beloved proposal:
Replace stage number 6 with stage number 8 and cut stage 4

Otherwise i would think about cutting it by 3 and 11 - but i am also open for other suggestions! So Roby can say until when he needs the final decision and until then you guys can help and discuss changing the tour in a good way:

My thing is just here:
Give the sprinters enough reason to come here so i am really not liking to cut an "easy" sprint stage.
Stage 8 with that really hard mountain is untouchable for me
The ITT is untouchable for me
In the end the GC should be favoring guys with reg

So feel free to help me here :)

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Re: January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:53 pm

Well as soon as possible.. whatever that is.

26th to 29th I won't upload anything, so if it's finished on the 25th, can put it up. If not, then it's on the 30st.

And don't forget to change the number of the stages in the stage title! As for what is possible what not, no idea, guess re-ordering is ok, designing new stages not? But just guessing.
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Re: January 2022

Post by Chense » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:28 pm

So as you are the big one and only dictator i guess its up to you to decide if reordering is fine or just delete.

I guess besides changing number in the title also the "stage number" in the editor has to be changed right?

I will finish that for latest 25 in the afternoon then.

*edit* i reviewed things and as i forgot that the rest day will be cut i would ask for something else:

Stage 2 would replace stage 4
Stage 12 would replace stage 10

Reason?
- I disliked stage 4 always the most as it was planned as a classic stage but as roby rightly said it is no real classics stage but is also no gc stage just a present for the strongest mountainrider in the end - this will then make the mountainriders gain slightly less time (including boni) on this day but still leaving them 3 mountainstages with 3 pretty different profiles to fight for the gc win against those guys with tt
- The second decision would be between 10 and 12 both are the harder sprint stages especially with those heavy mountains the days before and after. After thinking a bit i think 12 looks nicer then 10 because it will ask the sprinters to also bring one strong classic + maybe a nice 60-80 rider instead of just much flatpower - and it could also make a gc team with a sprinter in it think about "do i need that classic fit there (or tomorrow) or not?" so it might be the nicer fight in the end and its some kind of stage we dont see that often in c4f

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Re: January 2022

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:06 am

Robyklebt wrote:
Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:21 am

San Juan 30.01-06.02 according to PCS
But on 01.02 there's Bessèges and Saudi, from 02.02. Valencia. So the proposal is to have Bessèges and Valencia.
It's a question for February, but I guess we won't have many parallel tours this year? (P-N and T-A, yes, but not much more I suppose.)

So Besseges OR Valencia, I guess? Can also do 2 editions each of course, but not sure if it's worth it.

Then for January, I did the Festival of Cycling:

The criterium is supposed to run for 45min + 1 Lap. Last year they rode 50 laps (each 1.1 km) in 59:41min, so I calculated in 45min they should complete 37 laps + 1 lap = 38 laps = 42km.
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Profile: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... cling_crit
Min-Tact: km1

Then the stage race

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Profile: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ng_2022_01
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km82
Duration: 67min

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Profile: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ng_2022_02
Type: Medium
Min-Tact: km70
Duration: 80min

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Profile: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ng_2022_03
Type: HC
Min-Tact: km96
Duration: 63min

Apart from the Festival of Cycling, there is unfortunately no "Gravel and Tar" for 2022. It was postponed to 2023 because of Covid. We could still ride it on the 22nd or 23rd January as we have last year's profile (I think you designed it)... but not sure how exactly we went about all the cancelled one day races throughout this covid cancellation wave...

Further, if you want, there are 3 Cyclocross races with the UCI category C1 planned:

GP Sven Nys could be ridden on the 2nd instead of the 1st (to avoid clash with GP Letzebuerg).
Flandriencross on the 22nd (real date) or 23rd (if Gravel and Tar on 22nd).
World Championship on the 31st instead of the 30th (to avoid clash with Trofeo Playa de Palma).

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/RSFForum/v ... 60#p112460
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01.01.: GP Sven Nys
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Profile: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... =gpsvennys
Lap: +2** -2** +2 -2**
Description: This course is characterized by a lot of up and down as they basically ride around a small hill on the cycling center of Sven Nys in Baal, Belgium. Typically, the whole course consists out of deep deep mud, except for the little hill in the middle of the course, which is on asphalt.
Video: https://cyclocross24.com/de/race/baal/
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km1
Duration: 36min

22.01.: Flandriencross
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Profile: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... driencross
Lap: +1* -1** +1** -1* 0
Description: The Flandriencross starts and ends on a flat road. It's quite short, so I doubted to put it as a 0, but ok... can put the 0 as it is a relatively long course overall (I rounded up from 4.1km to 5km ^^). The course is characterized by a lot of mud and grass. In the middle there is a smal hill, where they go up, down, up, down, up down... difficult to simulate that in C4F, but I thought the -1** +1** is fair enough.
Video: https://cyclocross24.com/de/race/hamme/
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km1
Duration: 41min

30.01.: UCI Cyclocross World Championship 2022 - Fayetteville
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Profile: http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... yetteville
Lap: +4** -4 +2*** -2* 0
Description: This year's world championship course has two main challenges: The first one is a muddy climb. For a cyclocross race, it's a really long climb, so +4 seems realistic. Later on the course, there are really long stairs, some 30 steps I guess. Clearly more than in normal cyclocross stairs. So for that one +2*** seemed realistic. After all, it is the world championship so it also has to be a bit extreme and hard.
Video: https://cyclocross24.com/de/race/world-championships/
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km1
Duration: 36min
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Re: January 2022

Post by Hansa » Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:48 pm

2 edition each sounds fine i think.
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Re: January 2022

Post by Hansa » Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:32 am

Chense wrote:
Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:37 pm
So feel free to help me here :)
I would have cut stage 4 and 12, in my feeling these stages would not change to much of the tours spirit.
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Re: January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:06 am

Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:06 am
no "Gravel and Tar" for 2022
Pre Season cancellations like this... last year we simply cut it, think we should do the same again really.

Forgot the GP Marseille, in the preview, on the 30st too.

Besseges - Valencia, I'd have thought 2-2 works, but can do only one as well, that then would rather be the slightly more important Valencia. But as you said, there's time for February.

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Re: January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:19 pm

Anyway, check the times and say something if you have improvements ....

I'll start putting stuff online soon, probably 1 day classics with nothing parallel already today, if not tomorrow.
Won't be putting anything on between the 26th and 29th, so as much as possible before. So as I said, not much time to complain about times....
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Re: January 2022

Post by Chense » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:00 am

Well i would have a little improvement ... i know that most races have been ridden this times but as the designer of the january tour i would love either 19 or 20 o clock (even more likely the 20 time) for it cause 18 will be really hard to ride for me after the christmas holidays

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Re: January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:40 pm

Waiting until tomorrow for more reactions. 19h possible, 20h don't see it happen. Dectour ok, designer can choose a time. January tour not really. So only half!
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Re: January 2022

Post by Chense » Fri Dec 24, 2021 5:09 pm

I am fine with whatever decision and if more people like 18 thats also okay for me! Just would love to be able to ride "my" tour 100% by myself and 18 would mean some possible crashes with my working times

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Re: January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Dec 24, 2021 5:31 pm

Don't crash! Clashes are ok, but crashes... :lol:
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Re: January 2022

Post by Chense » Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:25 am

Pff :D even my riders crash everytime even if its normally not possible here!

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Re: January 2022

Post by Hansa » Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:10 pm

18/19 both fine
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Re: January 2022

Post by Mangahn » Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:20 pm

would prefer 18

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Re: January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:42 pm

19 it is then.

The stage races and the fantasy classics for January all online. Check for mistakes...

2 pavé races still missing, will come on on the 30st
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Re: January 2022

Post by Alkworld » Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm

Anybody already asked for 9am for the January tour? Here's my usual vote :)

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Re: January 2022

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:54 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:19 pm
I'll start putting stuff online soon, probably 1 day classics with nothing parallel already today, if not tomorrow.
Won't be putting anything on between the 26th and 29th, so as much as possible before. So as I said, not much time to complain about times....
1st January, you put "GP Letzteburg" with a typo "t" so the past editions are missing... not super important but as it is off-season classic... maybe even one of the most important as the 1st January race...

2nd January, you uploaded Cyclocross World Championship (fayetteville.c4f) instead of GP Sven Nys (gpsvennys.c4f)...Only realized now as I looked at the profile... because somehow the title in calendar is correct but the profile is wrong...
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Re: January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:35 pm

Alkworld wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm
Anybody already asked for 9am for the January tour? Here's my usual vote :)
No, you're the first. But after the January Tour was online, so won't change it. Earlier as usual next time. But good to have the occasional "big" tour at 10 too, maybe there are silent people who prefer 10 and if not maybe some who prefer 9 plan to ride the one day races.
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Re: January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:36 pm

Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:54 pm
Robyklebt wrote:
Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:19 pm
I'll start putting stuff online soon, probably 1 day classics with nothing parallel already today, if not tomorrow.
Won't be putting anything on between the 26th and 29th, so as much as possible before. So as I said, not much time to complain about times....
1st January, you put "GP Letzteburg" with a typo "t" so the past editions are missing... not super important but as it is off-season classic... maybe even one of the most important as the 1st January race...

2nd January, you uploaded Cyclocross World Championship (fayetteville.c4f) instead of GP Sven Nys (gpsvennys.c4f)...Only realized now as I looked at the profile... because somehow the title in calendar is correct but the profile is wrong...
Grr, Letztebuerg, big problem, super important. Will change today.
The cyclocross too, will change. How popular has it been so far? Was off mostly last days...
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Re: January 2022

Post by flockmastoR » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:50 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:36 pm
Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:54 pm
Robyklebt wrote:
Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:19 pm
I'll start putting stuff online soon, probably 1 day classics with nothing parallel already today, if not tomorrow.
Won't be putting anything on between the 26th and 29th, so as much as possible before. So as I said, not much time to complain about times....
1st January, you put "GP Letzteburg" with a typo "t" so the past editions are missing... not super important but as it is off-season classic... maybe even one of the most important as the 1st January race...

2nd January, you uploaded Cyclocross World Championship (fayetteville.c4f) instead of GP Sven Nys (gpsvennys.c4f)...Only realized now as I looked at the profile... because somehow the title in calendar is correct but the profile is wrong...
Grr, Letztebuerg, big problem, super important. Will change today.
The cyclocross too, will change. How popular has it been so far? Was off mostly last days...
Yeah correct it, I am pretty sure I already won this shit once. Wanted to check
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Re: January 2022

Post by Robyklebt » Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:20 pm

Should be corrected. But better check for new mistakes.

Races until the 8th online.

Pavé races on, 6th and 24th I think, already forgot.

Mallorca + Marseille will come on after new year, won't check/design before that.
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Re: January 2022

Post by Gipfelstuermer » Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:25 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:36 pm
The cyclocross too, will change. How popular has it been so far? Was off mostly last days...
More popular than the other one day races... But with the Christmas Tour in parallel it is almost useless... because these days a one day race can be deemed popular when it has 3 teams...
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