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I will open the first offseason calender draft/suggestion soon. But one thing in advance. Could we put the NCs on Saturday 14 October? Otherwise, the Tour des Pavés might not be very well attended...

team fl wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:40 pm

I will open the first offseason calender draft/suggestion soon. But one thing in advance. Could we put the NCs on Saturday 14 October? Otherwise, the Tour des Pavés might not be very well attended...

i guess you meant Saturday 24th

Hanse wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:23 pm

team fl wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:40 pm

I will open the first offseason calender draft/suggestion soon. But one thing in advance. Could we put the NCs on Saturday 14 October? Otherwise, the Tour des Pavés might not be very well attended...

i guess you meant Saturday 24th

Huch, of course, thank you

I support NC on Saturday too!

Design:

Bernocchi-Münsterland-Beghelli-Famenne Ardenne-3 Valli-Binche- Paris-Bourges (which we have twice right now, probably the one on Friday is the right one?)-Taxc-Van Steenbergen-Japan Cup are all cancelled in reality, so 2019 profile.

Same for Guangxi.

That leaves
Milano-Torino, new parcours, already ridden
Gran Piemonte, new parcours, already ridden
Lombardia, very small changes I think, already ridden (but 2019 version would be ok too, changes really seem very minor early on, will recheck)
Emilia, new parcours, already ridden
Paris-Tours: Haven't checked yet

I'll start later this month, anybody else doing something mention it here....

Fantasy:
Tour de Pavé needed, if somebody wants to organize a competition again, do it.... I don't care what way we get our Pavé, just get it

Another issue: Giro di Sardegna, end of October. 28.10-01.11
Real race, real date, we really should ride that somehow, but last time I checked no info on their site couldn't find anything.

Put in, reschedule Pavé? Parallel to pavé?

Who needs competition. Pavés is ready!
No mountain points. No money on the road. Just cobblestones! And hills...


Stage1: Few short hills here and there. And few easy pavés passages. Just a warm up for the next days.

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f



Stage2: Flat, just flat. with 8 pavés passages, that shouldn't be easy. But a big opportunity for te pavés monsters to gain some time.

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f



Stage3: 16km of Team TimeTrial, with cobblestones of course. Strong riders with a bad team will struggle here for sure.

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f



Stage4: The final is a 5km circuit. +7 +3 -5 -4 -1. 4 laps of this, but before, there are hard cobbles parts that should make the selection.

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f



Stage5: Kind of the opposite of the previous day. after 30km te road will begin to rise, and there will be 3 hard climbs on the way. But the last 50km are flat, with hard pavés.

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f

I won't care much which pavé tour we have, so up to Pokemon and/or Gipfel that did the vote last year to say if they want to have a try. Only critiques for this tour would be the names.. they don't seem to be from 2020 really No Kopinski, no Lafargue, no Van Looy (I think I actually remember 3 Roubaix winners this year, I'm great) etc.

But more important right now:

Any comments on Sardegna? I quote myself:

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:01 pm

Another issue: Giro di Sardegna, end of October. 28.10-01.11
Real race, real date, we really should ride that somehow, but last time I checked no info on their site couldn't find anything.

Put in, reschedule Pavé? Parallel to pavé?

I now think we should put it in... not sure why I didn't put it in in the preview....A mystery.

That would of course push back the fantasy season a bit, Tour de Pavé, Andes.
Anybody any comments now?

If no info on that Giro di Sardegna (apart the amateur profiles), maybe better to skip it and put a fantasy race instead (or design a fantasy Giro di Sardegna ? I could do it in the coming days if needed).

Because of covid situation, chances to see it cancelled are real; and also, we are not sure to get details about the race in time later in October.

Fantasy Sardegna is out for sure IMO, the majority decided against that when we were thinking about fantasy TdS and stuff, no need to change for the last race of the season

They seemed pretty convinced in July when it was announced it was going to be ridden, so seems rather likely it will be?

2 possibilities I see:

1) Leave the calendar as in the preview (except NC on Saturday)
2) Put in Sardegna. Postpone pavé to early November.
a) We find Sardegna profiles early enough, all good.
b) We don't find anything useful, then a few days before a random fantasy race in.

When will we have October ingame?
I thought RKL was doing the races he mentioned, need help?

Waiting for Luques to update and finalize the PDF.

But hasn't been in the forum for 3 days it seems. Bah, probably shows up tomorrow, if not I'll decide ha!Once decided stuff will go up.

The stuff that isn't designed yet, see somewhere above... haven't started yet, but should have no problem doing it later, Sunday/Monday/Tuesday... if you are hyper eager to do something, Milano-Torino/Gran Piemonte seem more logic then the others, but if you're not so eager, no problem at all

Nice pavé tour by this cataracs/Taka guy by the way. Looks like fun with the TTT and the slightly hilly stages.

And very helpful because it seems nobody else wanted a competition or had time for it this year.

Updated.

I think is all good, actually the Giro di Sardegna has a website (https://ilgirodisardegna.it/#) under construction, hope they will finish before the race starts, to at the moment can't do much.

I open the month.

Why not NC's on Friday, October 2nd/ or Saturday, October 3rd (since Munsterland giro is canceled IRL?) . And Pavés from 22/06 to 26/06? 3 tours are better than 2 in my opinion.

Hmmmm

Since now it's Sardegna the NC really should stay where it was.... Sunday. Reason for Saturday was just if Pavé starts on Monday, reg problems.

The Taka-idea would actually be quite good....
But quite late again, why did nobody have this idea earlier?

Luques gets a few hours to decide, once home (in 3 hours) I'll start uploading. Unless my wife demands that I cook, then it's around 14h that I'll start.

cataracs wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:06 pm

Why not NC's on Friday, October 2nd/ or Saturday, October 3rd (since Munsterland giro is canceled IRL?) . And Pavés from 22/06 to 26/06? 3 tours are better than 2 in my opinion.

Like that idea. Imo would be the best

Always in when it speaks about more tours

Yes, what did I miss during my 2 weeks vacation that we don't have any tours anymore? What's wrong with tours recently? I didn't complain enough probably and it is quite late now, but really.... Luxembourg ended on 19 September and next tour is planned for 15 October? That's nearly one month without tours? For people who couldn't ride Luxembourg even more.... and now you even consider kicking out Pavé?

I know... WC... NC... classics... but it's really not like this is Spring Classic season (even if in real life it feels like Spring Classic season), so some more tours would be really good.

Well, what we have is this thing called UCI calendar, September, October, WC week. Season winding down. Call Aigle to complain about the lack of stage races of a decent level in that period.

Time to put fantasy tours in it

Real races should all be on.

Except: Paris-Tours, nothing found yet, will check again later today. Expect it to be the same as 2019, but since we don't know for sure.... not on yet.
Sardegna: Nothing on yet either.

Times for Sardegna are undecided, I'd say 5 editions (Pavé 4 because it's often not popular) 9-14-18-21-23? Or something along those lines.

Had completely forgotten about Paris Tours.... remembered yesterday late. Will make the small corrections necessary to the 2019 version and put it on later today.
Haven't checked Sardegna yet, will do that later too...

Just for clarification after having a look at the PDF again to adpat the offseason calendar: October has 31 days...

cataracs wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:45 pm

Who needs competition. Pavés is ready!
No mountain points. No money on the road. Just cobblestones! And hills...

Thanks Taka for designing the TdP this year! It looks very interesting. Just one thing for the future (as it is too late for this edition anyway, lazy me): I think it is much more interesting, if the GC is open for all types of pavé riders and that there is a competition that is hardly predictable until the last stage.

In you design, there is almost no chance for pure pavé specialists to win the GC as there are, in my opinion, too many hills around, esp. during the climb for stage 1 finish of stage 4 and hence too many possibilities to take a lot of time from pure pavé specialists. There is only one stage who really fits pure pavé specialists, two if you count in the last stage, which also has quite steep climbs on the way, for a pavé tour (which also makes it very interesting though, as there will be lots of weak riders...).

But as written, as a stage race, it looks very interesting and will be fun to watch .

Stage1 should have been less hilly indeed. I didn't even realize it was that hard...But still, you'd need a bunch of classics with pavés and reg to be able to win with a classic. We will see how it comes out, but I would say(hope) at least one edition will be won by a pure pavés rider!