Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:33 pm
Ah finally time to complain ^^
- Alps and Sicilia can be 4 editions imo. Add afternoon for Sicilia. Add early evening for Alps. Could be an option. I am fine with 21/22. These are my preferred times anyway. But afternoon people or early evening could have reason to complain.
Evening times. Roby doesn't ride there, so some details to help to optimize them.
- Pais Vasco 18-22 and Romandie 19-23 not optimal imo. 4h difference is too much for the evening. You are completely missing the 20/21 people. Ok, 21 gets Sicilia currently. Suggestion is rather 19-22 or 20-23 or even 20-22.
(oh, my computer did not download the right version before, so forget a few things, that I was writing here before, sry...)
Can't forget what I didn't read...
Evening times. Not optimal, yes, but the problem is: We're down to 4 times max for tours it seems. And with that the evening basically loses one. With for editions we're not cutting the morning, we're not cutting the afternoon, we're not cutting the early evening, we're cutting the evening. No discussion needed, it's crystal clear. So 20-23 is rather unlikely to happen, 20-22 simply won't happen with 4 editions. Early evening is 17-19, it should always have a time. won't push one back to 20. Result, if their are 4 times, 20-23 will get one. Often 22. But not every single time. Right now of 4 tours the evening gets all 4, normal.
2x 22
1x 21+23
Solutions?
Pais VAsco back up to 5 editions? I don't think we have the numbers, but if people insist, it's only Schelde parallel... Then we can go to 21-23 there.
For Alps and Sicilia adding a 4th time won't change anything for the evening. As you yourself say, afternoon or early evening would profit.
Yorkshire.. it already has 4 times which is possibly one more than really needed. But since it's kind of Romandie replacement, why not, 5 to me looks like complete overkill.
So what's the solution?
Yorkshire time is bad, yes, should be changed, not sure what I was thinking there. Probably nothing.
But change to what? 22 again?Those that can 21 maybe can 22 as well... 23 guys 22 better, ok ok, the thing is though that we don't need fix standard times, because with that we in the end penalize always the same people. Those that can't on those times or those that can but it's not ideal. Even if it's 80% perfect 22, 20% not, by giving always the best for the 80% we're being unfair. So... move it around a bit.
3x 22 to me seems a lot, would prefer twice...
Change Alps or Pais VAsco to 21? Yorkshire 22? All 3 22?
So
18-21
18-22
19-22
the 3 combinations for those 3?
Add a 5th Pais Vasco?
Anyway, whatever happens 19-23 for Yorkshire clearly won't stay. 18-22 I have less of a problem with, at least for Alps. For PV
So, what's the solution?
4 editions for Sicilia and Alps.....
It's not like the afternoon really has lots and lots of people... And again, less people in the end means more sacrifice with regards to time. Evening only 1 instead of 2. The other times miss more stage races. Miss stage races before they miss one day races, because 1 day races are the lifeline.
Afternoon, PN had 6 teams and parallel 8-5-5-3-4-no race-6-5.
Now with the coronavirus running wild numbers are higher, 12 Catalunya, parallel 9-6-6-11 so far. With numbers like that, ok. But will they stay?
Early evening: Tirreno 9, parallel 5-6-5-4-3-9-9 That's better than the afternoon, but far from outstanding.
Catalunya 11, so far parallel no race-8-8-6 So unlike the afternoon no increase.
I don't see the point in adding a fourth edition for these 2 races, simply don't see the numbers. And I think the afternoon/early evening people in the end prefer bigger groups too... at least I do, often assume others are as sensible and clear thinking as me