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Re: April 2020

Post by cataracs » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:21 pm

That's probably a late comment that won't help in anyway, but adding Yorkshire instead of at least last year's Romandie is garbage.

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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:37 pm

That is late...

But IMO stupid to ride a tour with the profiles of the previous year. If we get the profile that was planned for 2020, excellent, but we can't find it. Then ride the profiles from 2019.... highly unexciting I think. Better have "real" profiles and a lesser tour.
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:35 am

You're feeling lonely? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:10 am

Started putting things online, basically until RVV right now.

More later today.

Decision on option 1 or 2 still open......but in a few hours I will put Pais Vasco etc online too, then it will be too late to complain.
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Re: April 2020

Post by el Galactico » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:15 am

I vote for option 1 then.
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:34 am

Ah, mistake in the PDF, somehow forgot to put in Tro Bro Léon. Original on 19th, parallel to Amstel, will be on the 20th.
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Re: April 2020

Post by CircleCycle » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:39 am

Romandie19 instead of 20? actually not too bad idea, but way too late to discuss this.
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Yorkshire is not bad, but it is a totally different tour. Would have been nice to keep somehow an equilibrium in the variety of choices for the riders. There are no other one-week tour with 2 TTs and quite high mountain in the regular season...
have to agree with that part although.....

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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:30 pm

All real races should be online. The ones that have been designed. Yorkshire hasn't so far, so won't be in before the month change most likely.

Used option 1

That means the PDF as it is with the following changes:

Changes:
Tour of Alps 10-19-22 Fleche Wallone changed to 18h
Yorkshire: 10-14-18-21

Check everything as usual is a good idea, to me seemed all ok, but better to have more checkers.
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Re: April 2020

Post by IDF » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:22 pm

And so for Romandie?
Why don't we use 2019's profiles?
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Re: April 2020

Post by Hansa » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:59 pm

Because at the 20th roby made the decision yorkshire in romandie out and nobody complained till today when its really late to change a tour
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:38 pm

Idéfix wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:38 pm
I'm ok for dictatorship. But I'm not for narrow minds. It is not technically too late. It is dictatorially it is too late. OK for that. I can't talk against dictators. But I can think, that it still allowed ;-)
That has to be a trick question. Ok not technically a question, but still. But yes, it's allowed to think. But you haven't proven to have the ability to think so far, so this "I can think"... hm, good riddle you made for us there.

Ah, btw, do you have anything relevant to say?
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:45 am

Are you asking me to delete your forum account?
Technically possible, more than reasonable and definitely desirable. If you insist I'll think about it. But actually, if you want to get rid of it just don't log in anymore. Easier.
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:40 am

Just to get serious for a moment. This was posted on the 18th.
Robyklebt wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:33 pm

The rest: While I have no problem with 2019 routes for 1 day races, I do have one with that for stage races. So either 2020 editions or cut my proposal.
On the 20st there was confirmation that the 2020 Romandie profiles couldn't be found. So basically out.

Only feedback: indirectly El galactico who said if no profiles available a solution could be fantasy races.
And Gipfel who said:
2020 versions for cancelled 2020 tours: yes, good solution. We had that for Oman, TA, will have it for Pais Vasco, Alps. All good. Only problem is with tours not even planned before they got cancelled (like Romandie now). Replace them with something else. Yorkshire OK for me.
That was on the 21st

Luques updated the PDF on the 26th.

On the 29th the first "let's do 2019 Romandie post.
cataracs wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:21 pm
That's probably a late comment that won't help in anyway, but adding Yorkshire instead of at least last year's Romandie is garbage.
With the acknowledgement that it's late. Which it is...
Since the 20st we had an announcement that it would likely be Yorkshire not Romandie.
Since the 26th we had it in the PDF. So on the 29th IS late. As suspected by Taka, as confirmed by me, as supported by CC.

So the guys who fucked up here are: Those that wanted Romandie 19. Taka-Idef-CC-(RfM). 2 of the realize it's late, one is only trolling.
Read. Yes, not everybody has the time/interest to read here every day. But you had time since the 18th/20st to propose something. Once a week was enough. And now? Not everybody reads daily correct, so now you want to start a discussion on the evening of the 29th? Decision on the 30st. So that half the people (those that don't read every day) find something else than announced! Yeah sure.
Nah, that's to late.

Anyway, troll away!
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Re: April 2020

Post by Hansa » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:57 am

And on the 29th is to late because we would need to have a vote 2019 romandie or 2020 yorkshire. And a vote starting at the 30th is really late.
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:30 am

If you don't understand why it is like it is, blame your reading ability, not my dictatorial tendencies.
So... drivel

But just to clear something up.
Idéfix wrote:
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You faint to misunderstand,
I didn't faint, but thanks for worrying.
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Re: April 2020

Post by Hansa » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:32 am

Roby can put on races but he cant put the april tb in the calender only luques can do that. Roby loaded all races which are designed. So he did all he can.

Thanks to roby.

And we would have to vote because of the special situation. Or we accept robys dictatorship which is real races over fantasy or old races.
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:56 pm

I agree, Hansa doesn't get the point. If he had he wouldn't waste his time with futile answers.
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:48 am

Being in a rather good mood, which doesn't happen often, I'm even nice enough to tell Gipfel why I declared his post to be drivel. I was indeed a bit short there (thought about writing "worthless drivel", but decided 2 words were giving that drivel too much credit) But well, we want Gipfel to learn from his mistakes and not have him post drivel and what in the end is an unacceptable insult, so let's take some time to educate Gipfel.

Here is original post
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You are helpful when you post your opinion, you are absolutely not helpful when you try to make a point by distorting mine. And this isn't the first time. You're entitled to your opinion. Right. You are not entitled to my opinion.

You got my "core times" wrong, you implied I think 17-19 is the strongest time, you claimed I gave 17-19 preferential treatment.
Some numbers about the early evening, 17-19

March:
31 races
12 races cat 3+
6 races cat 4+ 8-16 teams per race
2 stage races (9+11 teams)

20-23
54 races
20 races cat 3+
10 races cat 4+ 7-12 teams per race
4 stage races: 7/8/11/12 teams

20-22 (which would be the "core time" I see, not 20-23, as it is not 17-19 but 18-19 for the early evening)

36 races
14 races cat 3+
7 races cat 4+ 8-12 teams
3 stage races: 8/11/21

23-24

21 races
6 races cat 3+
3 races cat 3+ 7-12 teams
1 stage race, 7 teams

The numbers of teams might be wrong, the ingame count isn't really reliable, but not going to click on all of them. And of course weekends and weekdays have different numbers too, all together here.

So? Where is the preferential treatment for 17-19? It isn't there, very simple. So don't waste my time with complete idiocies like that post. Post what you think should be done. Don't post what you claim I think or do when you get it that wrong. And it's not got some details wrong, it's just completely wrong.

What do we learn from these numbers? And some general thinking?

That the evening isn't as dominating as it used to be. That the loss of players has resulted in lower numbers in the evening too. PN20+23, TA 22 then 1 day races. A few stinkers for the 1 day races there.
That 24h is basically dead, 3 races with low participation (ok, can't see that from my post)
That 23 is doing well enough for one day races.
That 23 wasn't very good for the one Tour they had. But 1 isn't necessarily representative either. And 7... we've seen worse at other times.
That the distribution to me looks pretty ok.
That March most likely was a bit special due to the virus. And that April will be as special. Which makes the prediction of how it will be in April more difficult.
That the afternoon might be profiting from lockdowns. Numbers went up in the second half of the month.
That 13h for reasons that are a complete mystery to me did ok with the 4 races it got 5-13 teams.

Yes, that's March.. not April.

Not going to count the editions for everything in the PDF, that isn't up to date anyway, but:

20-23 (actually 21-22, about which I'm not too happy myself, would have liked a 20 there) 4 stage races out of 4
17-19 3 stage races.

So for stage races 17-19 (really 18-19, here too you got the core times wrong) gets 1 more. The main evening 20-22 gains one too, at the expense of 23. 22 was always a bit of an unclassifiable evening btw, both main and late evening...
Not going to count the classics etc. but suspect it will turn out similarly to March. Gipfel could do it, more useful than making up shit for sure.

So what exactly did you want me to do? 5 20-23 and 2 17-19 because like it is now it's PREFERENTIAL treatment? Or 5-3, adding Sicilia for the early evening but take away another race?

If you want any of that, trying to convince me by attributing me some fantasy opinions or actions will never work. It will result in me dismissing the post. Quote and add "drivel" at the end. Imagine the "worthless" in front of it yourself.
This here is a one time service as well, I won't feel the need to show you that you're wrong in the future, but trust me, if you see a post of yours quoted with "drivel" as my comment, you are wrong.

But as I said, normally your (Gipfel's) comments and corrections are very useful and helpful, 2 pairs of eyes see better than one, (3 would be even better), 2 brains better than one (2,5 would be even better), I hope those continue. Just avoid trying to tell me what I think, because pretty obviously you don't know that.
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:06 pm

And he's trolling again...
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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:43 am

While Idéf happily continues to rage and rant, I started designing Yorkshire.

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Re: April 2020

Post by Pokemon Club » Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:33 pm

Fleche Wallonne 2020, I had a look on it today and the final circuit change, no Cherave this year, but Chemin des Gueuses instead. missing me 0,5 km per circuit, and another km somewhere in the middle of the race maybe too

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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:28 am

Ok, in the process of replacing it.
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Re: April 2020

Post by gaurain rx » Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:01 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:28 am
Ok, in the process of replacing it.
Mmmmm, wasn't aware they published the 2020 route. So, I hope, you give me some time (like till monday) to formulate some proposal about the design/climb rating).

+ LBL 2020 also online, same as last year... Only 2 kms more at the start!

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Re: April 2020

Post by Robyklebt » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:31 pm

Already put it online since it was done, but if you have corrections, would have no problem putting them online later too.

Usually unless there's big mistakes we'll try not to change anything after it's online, especially if it's online before the month change. But since all is a bit special right now.... no problem, as long as you give me long enough time to put the new stuff online.
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Re: April 2020

Post by gaurain rx » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:00 pm

Robyklebt wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:31 pm
Already put it online since it was done, but if you have corrections, would have no problem putting them online later too.

Usually unless there's big mistakes we'll try not to change anything after it's online, especially if it's online before the month change. But since all is a bit special right now.... no problem, as long as you give me long enough time to put the new stuff online.
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