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need the Volta Algarve 2020?
I can draw!

Thanks for trolling, Pokem!

S L Benfica wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:09 pm

need the Volta Algarve 2020?
I can draw!

Thanks for offering help, Benfica.

We are waiting decision for February by luques, because there are many tours and options.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:13 am

Thanks for trolling, Pokem!

It isn't trolling. It is always the game which adapt to players, and never players who adapt to the game when I look. Offering the best for players isn't always the same than offering the best for the game itslef.

So....

Oman should be cancelled, but I would say in the game we can play it as it was already drawn by Gipfel.

NC during the week, not ideal, but don't know where to put it otherwise, better not to play it then play it during the week? well, let me know in case.

I don't see space for Algarve unless we remove Ruta.

luques wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:36 pm

Oman should be cancelled, but I would say in the game we can play it as it was already drawn by Gipfel.

Okay, good. As I said, I accept both. If people prefer Colombia now and somebody draws it, I am fine.

In any case, one small thing. Currently you put Oman/Colombia 10-18-20 vs Provence 9-14-22. The 18-20 combination seems very close together. Maybe 10-18-22 vs 9-14-20 better? Or at least 10-18-21 for Oman/Colombia? Or 10-19-23? Many things could work but 18-20 combination does not seem ideal...

Change 20-22 Oman (Col) and Provence, yep.

For the weekend NC the possibility would be to have Besseges and Valencia one day early to finish Sat and have the NCs on the Sunday.

If there is no good time for the NC's it would also be okay to postpone them to March or whatever. They should not affect the real races though it is always nice to go for this little flag.

My opinion for Oman is to skip it. It is not like it has a lot of tradition to justify to keep it in.

On a personal note I would really like to see a late edition of Provence as I would love to ride it but of course would have to accept if you choose to change times they way you discussed it.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:56 pm

luques wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:36 pm

Oman should be cancelled, but I would say in the game we can play it as it was already drawn by Gipfel.

Okay, good. As I said, I accept both. If people prefer Colombia now and somebody draws it, I am fine.

In any case, one small thing. Currently you put Oman/Colombia 10-18-20 vs Provence 9-14-22. The 18-20 combination seems very close together. Maybe 10-18-22 vs 9-14-20 better? Or at least 10-18-21 for Oman/Colombia? Or 10-19-23? Many things could work but 18-20 combination does not seem ideal...

2 times in morning. Don't we risk here to have tiny groups in group tours and one day race ?
If you think we'll have enough participation to have decent groups in both tours + one day race, it's fine. If there's a high risk of having groups of 2-3-4 teams; maybe just one morning time for tours ?

ps : I'd really appreciate if first tours could be online but Tuesday to know how to set my forms if I can participate to them (according to times offered) as I wont' be near a laptop for almost a week then. Thanks

so san juan tour started


we have:

morning 9h+10h = 15 teams
afternoon 15h = 9 Teams
evening 18h+19h = 16 teams
late 21h+22h = 19 Teams.

So if we have parallel tours i would say we get

morning 2
afternoon 1
evening 2
late 2

so maximum of 7 total editions. maybe 6 would be fine too if we cut one of the evening/late edition.

kann ich mir gleich 3 der 4 Touren schenken bei den Anfangszeiten. Ist es nicht möglich wieder 4 daraus zu machen?

Freudenfeuer has a point, although he can't count.

Plan should be to have 4 tours at 17-19, always 1 of the 2 parallel ones and once both. LIke for the afternoon. Morning the same or one more ok too.

Right now it's

Morning 5
Afternoon 4
Early evening 3
Evening (all) 6

Definitely add one to the early evening. Cut the morning, or cut one of the evening?

Sent Luques 5 new proposals. (actually not yet, will send after this post)

Well, 4 of them are the same with little changes....
Cut one morning, give it to the early evening. Cut either Ruta del Sol or UAE. 2 versions of that each (the other change is with Provence Oman)
1 is cut an evening, Ruta del Sol, making it 10-15-19 and then 9-18-22 for the evening.

Since I'm not sure when Luques will be on and post it, my favorite version which I recommend is this one:

15-19-23 Besseges cat 2
10-14-21 Valencia cat 3

9-14-20 Oman cat 2 (downgraded, since it isn't ridden in reality)
10-18-22 Provence cat 3 (so flipped the times with Oman, since one person requested a late edition)

15-19-22 Ruta del Sol cat 3
10-18-21 UAE cat 3
Flipping the times for the last 2 my second favorite option.

Comments, comments, but fast.

Looks good.

Colombia instead of Oman would still be nice, dont like to race a cancelled race. But if nobody designs it I can live with Oman.

I would change besseges to 14 instead of 15 and valencia 15 intead of 14

So we have 14-19-23 instead 15-19-23
And 10-15-21 instead 10-14-21

Eveything else looks good.

Pretty much O.K. with the most recent Donkeyposal.

Only small thing is, that the evening could sometimes probably take one additional edition. TDU and San Juan was 35 teams riding 4 editions in the evening, and these tours are definitely less prestigious than others, so could probably put out 4 editions for the evening, if some people request more editions (like Freude in the chat). But 3 should be very good, too, can expect ~10 Teams per edition which is fine for everyone I think.

But! Designs!

Still missing Provence, Ruta del Sol & UAE, correct? And maybe even Colombia (but seems tendency was Pro Oman)? Not sure I have time soon, so please start if any of you have time for it!

One Day Races? Often version from last year seems to work. Let me know if any of them need a new design, will try to help.

Theoretically I decided to start put up races about now.
In practice I feel the after effects of Raclette. Or maybe the beverages. And tired... so will start in around 24 hours...

Will put up the "needs to be designed" thing in the first post then too, too tired for that as well.

For stage races

Ruta del Sol + UAE missing.
For once day races haven't checked yet, see above, tired Donkeys don't work well.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:30 am

Freudenfeuer has a point, although he can't count.

I can count, but when I checked, 2 tours were missing......Del Sol and Besseges..............

No, no, they weren't missing.

Some stuff online.

Check everything!!!

UAE and Ruta del Sol not designed yet.
I'll design UAE, finish before the end of the month, so will be online.

Other one day races not checked yet...

Updated.

UAE online.

Not online yet:

Ruta del Sol: I won't have time to design it until tomorrow.

Tel Aviv: Not on Flamme Rouge
Laigueglia: Not on Flamme rouge, nobody understands the stuff they put on their site, if there's anything of value hidden between all the boring text.
Almeria: looks different on their site, but no Flamme rouge yet

Rest of real races online.
Fantasy races until the 6th too.

Unlikely that more will come until the month change.

If there is any interest I could do Ruta del Sol as well. Just don't know if it alright this way as I haven't designed a race in ages.

Okay. just finished it. Have to check if everything is correct, though.

Excellent, should be online now.

NCs pushed back to march?

Check the preview.

For me it's says NC on the 18th. And since I regard this preview not as a preview but as the finalized version....