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Preview online, some comments:

1) TIMES, we need feedback on times. First the Andes. Gipfel in the Andes thread proposed 9-15-20-22 or 5 editions. I'm very much against the first proposal, cutting the early evening to add 20 IMO very bad, very very. Very. If anything 18-22 or 18-21 would be better than 20-22! As for 9/10 vs 14/15 and 18/19, or even 21/22 (but 22 seems the clear favorite)it should be those that know they will ride telling us when they can, sort of like we did last year. And if 5 editions is popular that is ok too, although I think it's risky...

So for Donkey this would be:
Top 14
Ok 13+15

Would be, because this year I won't ride, so this is just an example.
We don't usually do this, but since the Andes are special, to maximize participation.... IMO a good idea, so those who want to start, post when you have time. Don't forget that the stages are long, up to 3 hours if I remember correctly.
WE already have one demand "16-19" in the Andes thread. Demands here or over there.. not sure, here's the link anyway, maybe better there so that we don't cluster this one too much. But then there's not much else of importance going on.
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7320&p=103873#p103873

As for the start, SAturday to Tuesday, I support that since it makes it a 2 weekend tour, the classic Sunday finish would make it a 3 weekend one, but weekends see clearly less participation than weekdays nowadays.

2) Times and number of editions for other tours. 3 for Vietnam, 4 for the 2 others seems clear to me, but if there are lots of protests... Times... spread it out, so all dependent on the Andes times too of course. Mostly Vietnam of course, but the others a bit too. One thing that will have to change is already clear IMO. Afternoon (14-16) has only 1 of the 3 other tours, while the morning and early evening (17-19) have all 3. No good.
Date for Vietnam, we could make it a Mon-Fr Tour too. 18-22 or 11-15 (I think 18-22 would be somehow more sensible, don't ask me why) Pro? Contra?

3) Categories: Here I'm confident I got everything right. Checking still allowed.

4) One day classics: Think I got them all. If somebody wants to check the winter classic thread to make sure, do it!
After last weekend when on Saturday we had 2 races with only 1 team (I won, I won)... maybe move more RSF winter classics of the weekend? We still have 3 left.... But nothing parallel so maybe ok? Brescia with the old pavé finish directly after the pavé tour.. maybe swap the order to Lanzarote-Brescia? Energy.

5) Number of riders: Suspect there are mistakes for the one day classics. Tours should be ok. So some of the 9 might be 8, some of the 8 might be 9, think made a mistake somewhere last year, so just copying from there doesn't work. Will check the original design and just put the number of riders requested there...

More comments on 1-2-4 (3-5 are more info things really) more than welcome.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:24 pm

Preview online, some comments:

1) TIMES, we need feedback on times. First the Andes. Gipfel in the Andes thread proposed 9-15-20-22 or 5 editions. I'm very much against the first proposal, cutting the early evening to add 20 IMO very bad, very very. Very. If anything 18-22 or 18-21 would be better than 20-22! As for 9/10 vs 14/15 and 18/19, or even 21/22 (but 22 seems the clear favorite)it should be those that know they will ride telling us when they can, sort of like we did last year. And if 5 editions is popular that is ok too, although I think it's risky...

So for Donkey this would be:
Top 14
Ok 13+15

Would be, because this year I won't ride, so this is just an example.
We don't usually do this, but since the Andes are special, to maximize participation.... IMO a good idea, so those who want to start, post when you have time. Don't forget that the stages are long, up to 3 hours if I remember correctly.
WE already have one demand "16-19" in the Andes thread. Demands here or over there.. not sure, here's the link anyway, maybe better there so that we don't cluster this one too much. But then there's not much else of importance going on.
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7320&p=103873#p103873

As for the start, SAturday to Tuesday, I support that since it makes it a 2 weekend tour, the classic Sunday finish would make it a 3 weekend one, but weekends see clearly less participation than weekdays nowadays.

2) Times and number of editions for other tours. 3 for Vietnam, 4 for the 2 others seems clear to me, but if there are lots of protests... Times... spread it out, so all dependent on the Andes times too of course. Mostly Vietnam of course, but the others a bit too. One thing that will have to change is already clear IMO. Afternoon (14-16) has only 1 of the 3 other tours, while the morning and early evening (17-19) have all 3. No good.
Date for Vietnam, we could make it a Mon-Fr Tour too. 18-22 or 11-15 (I think 18-22 would be somehow more sensible, don't ask me why) Pro? Contra?

1) Fine with evening 19-22 if some teams look for an early evening tour (Jäger already said so). Would actually be in favor of 5 editions if there was no Vietnam. Because one day races will be sad during Vietnam I am afraid. Then 4 editions Andes better... Or 5x Andes and 2x Vietnam? Vietnam 10h-20h perhaps and Andes 5 editions 9-15-18-21-23? Or even 4x Andes with 9-15-19-22 and 2x Vietnam 10-20 could work fine... I know, never taking decisions, just showing all the possible versions and everything is a compromise when you want one day races || short tour || long tour with current participation.

For the start of Andes, still Saturday start and Sunday finish feels more natural.... But ok, I see the weekend thing. So both solutions fine for me.

2) Date for Vietnam. 18th to 22nd probably better so that people are less likely to skip Andes just because Vietnam looks attractive to them and starts on same day?

2) Date for Vietnam. 18th to 22nd probably better so that people are less likely to skip Andes just because Vietnam looks attractive to them and starts on same day?

Vietnam is very attractive anyway! But joking aside, then it would interfer with two RSF classics, so there would be three "important" races in parallel at two days. But I don't get why Vietnam looks more attractive at the current spot then from 18 to 22? Could very well be that I miss something here . And what does "starts at the same day" mean? Andes starts at 11 and Vietnam starts at 13. Anyway, I think it looks good as it is right now, although I personally would prefer a tour to be from Mon to Fri instead of Wed to Sun, but that's only me.

Andes times I don't care as I won't ride it. Just to mention that too .

4) One day classics: Think I got them all. If somebody wants to check the winter classic thread to make sure, do it!
After last weekend when on Saturday we had 2 races with only 1 team (I won, I won)... maybe move more RSF winter classics of the weekend? We still have 3 left.... But nothing parallel so maybe ok? Brescia with the old pavé finish directly after the pavé tour.. maybe swap the order to Lanzarote-Brescia? Energy.

Think that's a good point and guess I would do it like that.

Argh.... you really don't read Robyklebt posts do you?



Donks says: Vietnam, maybe better make it a non-weekend tour? 11 or 18 start?
Gipf says: 18 better

RSF classics obviously would be moved as well if Vietnam moves.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:46 pm

Argh.... you really don't read Robyklebt posts do you?



Donks says: Vietnam, maybe better make it a non-weekend tour? 11 or 18 start?
Gipf says: 18 better

RSF classics obviously would be moved as well if Vietnam moves.

Aso. Well, then... it seems to be perfectly fine

I'll probably send Luques the next proposal over the weekend...

The way it looks right now:

-Brescia and Lanzarote change dates
-Guadeloupe changes to 10-16-20-23
-Andes changes to 9-15-19-22.
-Andes keeps the start on Monday
-Vietnam start on Monday, 18th.
-San Francisco changes to the 14th
-Chelly I'm not sure yet, after or before Vietnam, so either 15th-17th (Weekend avoiding if possible so 15th likely there) or 25th

Comments of course still welcome and will affect the next proposal. So far only 1 (Gipfel) has asked for 5 Andes, if more and more do.... even if I'm highly unconvinced. 111 teams have ridden races in October so far, 30 of those 5 races or less....
Times of course won't take me much to convince me to change them, we have virtually no feedback so far, more people want 10 than 9, even just one showing up and we're back to 10. Same for other times....
Times of other tours of course all not fix either... even if I'm quite happy with them right now. But Vietnam 11, lots (or little) for 9-10, ok, change.

Is there a therd where you can view these tours?
"Guadeloupe" and "Volta a Miranda"

Guadeloupe

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3197&start=175#p103837

I would prefer Vietnam in the evening on 19 or 20 than 18. Or if 18h should stay then the later one on 21 instead of 23? But I dont know about the late night guys.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:02 am

I'll probably send Luques the next proposal over the weekend...

The way it looks right now:

-Brescia and Lanzarote change dates
-Guadeloupe changes to 10-16-20-23
-Andes changes to 9-15-19-22.
-Andes keeps the start on Monday
-Vietnam start on Monday, 18th.
-San Francisco changes to the 14th
-Chelly I'm not sure yet, after or before Vietnam, so either 15th-17th (Weekend avoiding if possible so 15th likely there) or 25th

Comments of course still welcome and will affect the next proposal. So far only 1 (Gipfel) has asked for 5 Andes, if more and more do.... even if I'm highly unconvinced. 111 teams have ridden races in October so far, 30 of those 5 races or less....
Times of course won't take me much to convince me to change them, we have virtually no feedback so far, more people want 10 than 9, even just one showing up and we're back to 10. Same for other times....
Times of other tours of course all not fix either... even if I'm quite happy with them right now. But Vietnam 11, lots (or little) for 9-10, ok, change.

Really all depends on the Andes.
4 seems logic but with one request for 23h and very few other comments...
Will send Luq a proposal today, then tomorrow or on Tuesday should be fix.

Gipfel didnt really request for 5 Andes, just "showed possibilities". Imo 4 Andes with the suggested times are perfect, because you better have 10-12 teams in each tour than two with 5-6... And there are no hard requests like: Give me a tour at 23 or I can't participate.. Then we could go for 2-3 vietnam that way (10,20,23 or 10, 19, 23 if Andes is at 20)

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:45 am

Really all depends on the Andes.
4 seems logic but with one request for 23h and very few other comments...
Will send Luq a proposal today, then tomorrow or on Tuesday should be fix.

Fantasticos.

Andes 20 won't happen.

Sent the newest proposals to Luq.

A) 4 editions Andes 9-15-19-22
Guadeloupe changed to 10-14-18-22
Vietnam 11-20-23. 20-21 are strong times, so can deserve that time there too.
Vietnam start 18th.
Classics changed accordingly.

B) Andes 5 editions: 9-15-18-21-23
Guadeloupe like above, 10-14-18-22
Vietnam 10-19-22
Miranda: 9-15-20-23

Sind die Zeiten jetzt fix für Guadeloupe ( 10-17-20-23 )und Andes ( 10-15-19-22 ) ??? Ich würde ja diesen Vorschlag bevorzugen : B) Andes 5 editions: 9-15-18-21-23
Guadeloupe 10-14-18-22
Vietnam 10-19-22
Miranda: 9-15-20-23

I dont think 5 Andes would be good for the participation there, at Vietnam and the onedayrace in the meantime.
But with enough Andes guys needing a certain time that wouldnt be possible with just 4.. luckly not my decision^^

Started to put stuff online.

Since no feedback from Luques, decided myself, went for the worse decision.
5 editions. 4 would have been better. But since we had one player from the evening, fantasticos, who took the time to write when he could (probably only 23), decided to reward his effort.

So it's proposal B. Ignore the PDF on top for the moment, I'll try to have Luques update it when he comes online....

Andes and Guadeloupe should be on now... better double and triple check everything.
Rest should come after my race today and at the latest tomorrow.

Stage races
RSF classics
2 pavé races
Tour de Okinawa

are online.
November not "open" in calendar, only Luques can do that, so see in the inscription page.

Better check for mistakes....

Rest of the first November week later this week, the rest then as usual gradually during the month.

Where can we see the profiles of Guadeloupe, Vietnam, Miranda Tours ?

whisbone wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:44 pm

Where can we see the profiles of Guadeloupe, Vietnam, Miranda Tours ?

In game calendar, you can click on the November calendar to see them and all other races already planned.

thanks olmania

Ometepe Island GP seem to be scheduled for both the 18.11 and the 19.11.

Gp of Trinidad seems to have an issue, at least for the graph.

Argh, will check.

Ometepe seems ok, 2 different races, GP and sprint, at least for me it shows the 2 different profiles correctly.

Trinidad and Tobago, will delete now, put online the correct one later today.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:35 am

Argh, will check.

Ometepe seems ok, 2 different races, GP and sprint, at least for me it shows the 2 different profiles correctly.

Trinidad and Tobago, will delete now, put online the correct one later today.

Sorry about Ometepe, looked bad on phone, the display was not fully visible, so I didn't see well.
Ok for Tobago.

Should be ok now, hopefully the rest too.

as the participation in the Andes is quite low, how about going for 4 x vietnam? or is it too late time-wise?