December 2016

[Pokemon Club]

C4F December 2016 (2).pdf

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28.11 - 03.12 Aroteraoa
04.12 Davao Sprint Cup
05.12 - 18.12 Atlantico - Pacifico
06.12 - 10.12 Guadeloupe
08.12 Colombo TTT
11.12 Bafut GP
13.12 Worchester - Cap Town
14.12 TT Cap Town
15.12 SAC Cap Town Classic
18.12 Usangi GP
19.12 - 22.12 Marmaru Tour
23.12 Pavé de Noel
24.12 Chrismas Islands
25.12 Bethelem
26.12 Tour de Herne
27.12 - 30.12 Christmas Tour
31.12 St Sylv
31.12 Mont Sylv

[superdragoes]

Atlantico - Pacifico is not - 05.12 - 18.12 but 05/12 untill 19/12*
you forgot rest day.

[Robyklebt]

Bad calender.
Of course it's guess work, since we are not told what all those one day races are supposed to be, just fantasy races, cat 2, cat 3, cat 7? But guessing it's the cat 2-3 races...
Bad calendar. Change please.

[Alkworld]

Atlantico - Pacifico is not - 05.12 - 18.12 but 05/12 untill 19/12*
you forgot rest day.

13 days of racing + one rest day makes it end on 18.12.

[Freudenfeuer]

hm, so ganz steige ich durch diese PDF datei nicht durch

[Pokemon Club]

hm, so ganz steige ich durch diese PDF datei nicht durch

In english ?

[team fl]

hm, so ganz steige ich durch diese PDF datei nicht durch

In english ?

The PDF file is very hard to read as the table is split very unfortunate.

[Pokemon Club]

hm, so ganz steige ich durch diese PDF datei nicht durch

In english ?

The PDF file is very hard to read as the table is split very unfortunate.

Ahh okk thanks

[team fl]

hm, so ganz steige ich durch diese PDF datei nicht durch

In english ?

The PDF file is very hard to read as the table is split very unfortunate.

Ahh okk thanks

Better, but now try landscape format (format paysage).

[Freudenfeuer]

Thanks fl..................

[Freudenfeuer]

New start times!!??

I mean that the new start times bad.In the morning, everything remains.Who will ride 14:00? I miss the times between 17:00 -19:00!!!!!!!
20:00 is very hard for " Early riser " auf deutsch ( german )..... Frühaufsteher........! Can be changed to new times again???

greetings from Freude

[Pokemon Club]

New start times!!??

I mean that the new start times bad.In the morning, everything remains.Who will ride 14:00? I miss the times between 17:00 -19:00!!!!!!!
20:00 is very hard for " Early riser " auf deutsch ( german )..... Frühaufsteher........! Can be changed to new times again???

greetings from Freude

New start times ? Not really.
About what I see 14h or 15h doesn't make a big difference. Currently I post 26 races in calendar, 18 races with the times 17:00-19:00 so 8 races without. 1 time there is no 17-18h it is a sunday so maybe you can be more flexible. And 3 times the race is short when it starts at 20h you can maybe go to bed a bit later.

Anyway the days where there is only 4 fields, with morning and early afternoon which can't move it makes only 2 fields for 17:00-24:00.

[Robyklebt]

New start times policy: For sure.

In 2015 in November 17-19 once day races got offered 28 times. In December 32
In 2016 in November it's 20, in December 23

Anyway the days where there is only 4 fields, with morning and early afternoon which can't move it makes only 2 fields for 17:00-24:00.

This of course is an incredible idiocy. Why can't they move??? If not all 5 "main times" (9-11, 14-16, 17-19, 20-22?, 22?-24) get the one day races (I think we should use 5 for one day races as often as possible) then don't always cut in the same place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Morning and afternoon fix??? Of course then 17-19 will get fucked. IF there's only 4 races, then spread the cutting out, only the main evening, 20-21 or 20-22 should always get something, it's clearly the busiest time, the rest should share the honor of not being offered a race as equally as possible.

Comparison 2016 and 2015

In November: in red 2016, in blue 2015
Morning 30 28
Afternoon 30 29
Early Evening 20 28
Evening til 22: 27 32
Late evening 19 19

I'm never sure how to categorize 22, is it evening or late evening? So just 22: 1311

126 races in 2016, 138 in 2015. In 2015 we had 2 races at 8 in the morning. (with horrible participation, 3+1..) this year only "main times". Actually I kind of like having the occasional "off time", 8 or 12-13, too see if there is a "market" for those times. But ok, last year 8 clearly wasn't good.

In 2016 the late evening was the only time who clearly was at a disadvantage. This year despite offering less races both the morning and the afternoon get MORE races. While the late evening stays put. And early afternoon as noticed by Freude the big loser. Pretty senseless. On so many levels.

Of course Pokemon generally is offering less races than were offered last year too: 138 one day races in 2015, 126 in 2016. Less participation too I think, especially lately.
A short and highly unreliable analysis of October 15 and 16 tells me that 15 was stronger, but not by that much. The difference seems much bigger in November, while it was decent mostly in 2015 it seems down in 2016. Again, not an in depth analysis could be wrong. Most likely Luques and leso have more precise numbers, they should have, would be nice if they could be shared here.
But I think this downturn is in part fueled by the times. In part only. But if you offer the generally weaker morning and afternoon 30 times, while only offering the stronger evening 20-21 14 times, plus 13 times 22... of course participation will be down. If Freude can ride from 17-19 and you're not offering those times, telling him to go to bet later is not helping him and not helping RSF either. He'll just not ride then, you lose up to 10 "participations" in November.

Anyway, with the 126 races we had in November, a better distribution would have been:
Evening 30 , the rest all 24.

December we have 133 one day races planned:

9-11 32 (on the 31st 2, one at 10, one at 11... .somehow 9-11 would be more sensible? If we are still looking for sensible stuff, which doesn't seem to be the case)
14-16 31 (2 on the 31st, none on the 24th)
17-19 23
20-22: 26
23-24: 20

Same problem as in November. The wrong times get everything. 25-25-25-33-25 or something like that would be much more sensible (if we are actually looking to do sensible things, it doesn't really seem so, but...)

The stage races are much better. In the afternoon once 16 instead of only 14-15, morning once 11 instead of only 9-10, but ok, 16+11 generally seem to be less popular than the other times, so ok I guess. No real complaints or problems with the stage races.

Then I miss my 2 pavé races. In November we had 4 of them. all high category as well. In December we're down to 1. Yes, there's 2 (I think) other races with some pavé in it somewhere, that doesn't make them pavé races. Why not just make 2 pavé races a month? Can't be THAT difficult.

Anyway, there is still time to improve December.

[Robyklebt]

Ah, and it's absolutely necessary to improve December as well. Not only enough time there..

[Pokemon Club]

It is the usual problem Donkey about 2 point of view which are both not bad :

1) We add more fields. More players can ride at the times which fit them the most. But we risk to have more little fields (3-4 players), not competitive at all.
2) We reduce the number of fields. Fields are bigger. But some people unfortunaly can't ride. because there is no time they can play, which decrease the number of players per day.

In my opinion we must about the number of fields with the number of players. At least 4 fields per day looks nice already for this kind of games.

Anyway for me there is no solutions better than the other. But ok some things can be nice to adjust better the times, here just few ideas :
- looks the participation time by time,compare with previous months/year
- send surveys at players,for example to know their ages, country, the time they can play, etc
- to have a calendar of holidays and public holidays, it isn't the same everywhere at the same time after all

But okay. Let's give a try for the 3 first day of December and let's see.


And for pave races it is simply, there was nearly no pave races in Asia or Africa.

[drei.zehn]

For me smaller fields doesn't mean something bad.
That's not because of the competition, it's because in most of the races I'm using the app.

Smaller fields mean I can play without any problems.
Big fields mean it's really hard to play via app, because the anymation struggles.

Just to mention another point of view

[Robyklebt]

It is the usual problem Donkey about 2 point of view which are both not bad :

1) We add more fields. More players can ride at the times which fit them the most. But we risk to have more little fields (3-4 players), not competitive at all.
2) We reduce the number of fields. Fields are bigger. But some people unfortunaly can't ride. because there is no time they can play, which decrease the number of players per day.

In my opinion we must about the number of fields with the number of players. At least 4 fields per day looks nice already for this kind of games.

Anyway for me there is no solutions better than the other. But ok some things can be nice to adjust better the times, here just few ideas :
- looks the participation time by time,compare with previous months/year
- send surveys at players,for example to know their ages, country, the time they can play, etc
- to have a calendar of holidays and public holidays, it isn't the same everywhere at the same time after all

But okay. Let's give a try for the 3 first day of December and let's see.

And for pave races it is simply, there was nearly no pave races in Asia or Africa.

I was hoping for an answer by Luques, not by you. You're completely inept, we need Luques to take over. Waiting 3 days or another month won't help, you're obviously just not capable of doing the job. Something you confirmed again in your latest answer.

Anyway for me there is no solutions better than the other. But ok some things can be nice to adjust better the times, here just few ideas :

Actually some solutions ARE better than other ones. If you don't see that....

- looks the participation time by time,compare with previous months/year

You should have done that in October. So fucking basic and you come up with this NOW?

- send surveys at players,for example to know their ages, country, the time they can play, etc

You can stuff your survey up your ass. Knowing how reliable and honest you are, you're going to publish our details all over the internet. Forget it.

- to have a calendar of holidays and public holidays, it isn't the same everywhere at the same time after all

Excellent idea! You saved the world. Deep stuff, Poke, deep stuff. Knowing when there are public holidays would have allowed you to make a perfect calendar.

But at least this was on topic..

1) We add more fields. More players can ride at the times which fit them the most. But we risk to have more little fields (3-4 players), not competitive at all.
2) We reduce the number of fields. Fields are bigger. But some people unfortunaly can't ride. because there is no time they can play, which decrease the number of players per day.

Let me add one more:
3) If the toaster explodes, the moon gets darker.

Just remind me, what was my post about? Ah yes, thanks: DISTRIBUTION of the races, not the overall number of races. Now unfortunately those 3 excellent points we have here have nothing to do with the distribution of races. Talking about the overall number in response to a post about distribution shows you are incredibly open minded, but otherwise is not helpful at all.

But okay. Let's give a try for the 3 first day of December and let's see.

Let's see what? If all of the sudden you get a clue? You're more optimistic than me. Just let Luques do it, he has other things to do, but we see what the result of you doing the calendar is. REcord low participation numbers. Thanks a lot.

And for pave races it is simply, there was nearly no pave races in Asia or Africa.

Yes, that's why we had to have 4 pavé races in November, including one in Asia. Because it was unclear at the time that maybe in December there would be demand for pavé races too. Making 3 in November and 2 in December was absolutely impossible. After all you're on your power trip and needed to show the guys who claimed 4 was too much, they rather had regularly 2 per month instead of lots followed by nothing, that YOU are the boss. You did boss! You showed RSF who the boss is! Unfortunately it's the RSF calendar that pays the price. 4 in November, 1 in December "because there are not enough pavé races designed in Africa-Asia after we just had one in Asia...." Bad planning.

No need to answer here btw, I hope for Luques, the sooner the better. You're open minded and know everything and are highly intelligent and all, but a complete failure at making a calender, your talents clearly are somewhere else.

32-31-23-26-20 is the problem. the idiotic distribution for one day races. Now of course it's late, form is set and everything, so can't change everything, but maybe while Poke waits 3 days Luques could try to correct some things, maybe delete a morning and afternoon race here and there, add in the 3 other places instead? So that we get something like 29-29-25-28-21or so at least?

[team fl]

Please check the profiles for the one day race on 6 December. Somethings wrong with that.

[luques]

Thanks for the long discussion, some good hints for January. Now that the real season is starting again I will restart drawing and managing the calendar, so that I can help a bit.

Just one thing I don't fully agree, I am not that sure that early evening 17-18, deserve much more than morning or afternoon, probably the same but more... don't know.

[Robyklebt]

Agreed.
But then I'm not sure who you are disagreeing with, since what I brilliantly wrote is:

Anyway, with the 126 races we had in November, a better distribution would have been:
Evening 30 , the rest all 24.

and for December:

The wrong times get everything. 25-25-25-33-25 or something like that would be much more sensible (if we are actually looking to do sensible things, it doesn't really seem so, but...)

So whoever you're disagreeing with, I agree with you on on disagreeing with him/her!

I enjoy disagreeing so much, that I even disagree with you:

I am not that sure that early evening 17-18, deserve much more than morning or afternoon, probably the same but more..

17-18? Make it 17-19. Just 17-18 alone then becomes a whole new calculation.

[Hunsrueck]

I think most of the participants ride at 20 or 21 o'clock. But in the last months are very often around this time no races.

[Freudenfeuer]

Und was ist mit den späten Nachmittags Zeiten zwischen 17-19Uhr?

[MG Technogym]

The race who takes place on 29 december is a km with 40%. That has to be a mistake. Can somebody fix it?

[High Flyer]

Come on, own up. Whose idea was it to make a 115km one day race 112 minutes long by making each km 1 min after 5km into the race? Did this race and idea really pass through people?