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NEW ZEALAND CYCLE CLASSIC 2014
HILLY TOUR
29 Gennaio / 02 febbraio 2014












SANTOS TOUR DOWN UNDER 2014
HILLY TOUR
19 Gennaio / 24 Gennaio 2014









The 5th stage is the same as last year

shouls we open a poll for the january tour or take the second "Venezuela"

Like I see, we get a new zealand tour at the end of the month, but it is a cat 2.2 ??

January Calendar (Just taking inspiration from last year calendar):

01/01 GP Letzebuerg
02/01 - 13/01 January Tour (will discuss after about it)
13/01 - 19/01 La Tropicale Amissa Bongo (2.1)
14/01 - 18/01 Tour des Paves (MTP Pavè approved?)
19/01 - 24/01 Tour Down Under 2014 (2.UWT)
20/01 - 26/01 Tour de San Luis (2.1)
29/01 - 02/02 New Zealand Cycle Classic (2.2)

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These are the main tours of January.
Now, about January Tour, 02/01 is Thursday so probably it won't fit with rest day etc how was planned by the designer. Actually by cutting two or three days we can start it on Saturday/Sunday. Guess that second placed tour should have this option. Otherwise we can also handle with a "not-canonical" rest day.

Probably you will put some tours in // with January Tour, what about losing tours of the last little christmas competition?

La Tropicale actually doesn't fit so good as // of Tour des Paves, too long, obviously we can choose if delete it or move it somewhere more comfortable for us.

About Tour of Pavè i guess we will take Moscow one? Just speaking about it today. It ends at 18/01, and there starts the season.

Then TDU in parallel with T de San Luis. And New Zealand Classic even if it is a 2.2 race fits a place where no tour are scheduled, so probably is ok for all.

luques wrote:January Calendar (Just taking inspiration from last year calendar):

01/01 GP Letzebuerg
02/01 - 13/01 January Tour (will discuss after about it)
13/01 - 19/01 La Tropicale Amissa Bongo (2.1)
14/01 - 18/01 Tour des Paves (MTP Pavè approved?)
19/01 - 24/01 Tour Down Under 2014 (2.UWT)
20/01 - 26/01 Tour de San Luis (2.1)
29/01 - 02/02 New Zealand Cycle Classic (2.2)

Working on...

Definitively, we don't need this Tropicale which overlap with January Tour, Tour des Paves and TDU !!

And let's vote for Jan Tour

This is my proposal for the Tour of pavé, 2014, of course we accept suggestions and advice.

TOUR DES PAVES


In memory of Victor Villa team Petit Singe, Spanish rider won 3 races in his career and Paris - Roubaix 2013.


In memory of Peter Schmeichel team TDX, Danish rider and winner of 5 races 1 lap in careers and the Tour of Flanders 2013.


In memory of Kari Steinsson FL team, runner Icelandic winner of 5 races, 2 laps and sprint 1 ranking in career and Paris - Roubaix 2013.


In memory of Willy Vandendriessche team rQuick (then switched to Blues Racing), Belgian rider winner of 5 races, 1 and 1 lap sprint ranking in career and Paris - Roubaix 2013.


In memory of Daiken Sekiguchi team Petit Singe, runner Japanese winner of 7 races in his career and the Tour of Flanders 2013.

luques wrote:January Calendar (Just taking inspiration from last year calendar):

01/01 GP Letzebuerg
02/01 - 13/01 January Tour (will discuss after about it)
13/01 - 19/01 La Tropicale Amissa Bongo (2.1)
14/01 - 18/01 Tour des Paves (MTP Pavè approved?)
19/01 - 24/01 Tour Down Under 2014 (2.UWT)
20/01 - 26/01 Tour de San Luis (2.1)
29/01 - 02/02 New Zealand Cycle Classic (2.2)
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Why not :
January Tour 1-11 ( or 2 --> 11 ) ( cutting rest-day?)
Tropicale 12-18 ?

No // tours , so many people can ride this , no?

1) I'd suggest to avoid overlapping tours as far as possible. Just check the current number of teams riding the one-day races, where we are getting awfully close to negative numbers. I personally would love to ride some big, competitive races again. That not often happens with 3-5 teams.
2) The pavé tour looks good. I'm missing a hilly stage, but I'm not the designer
3) Voting for the January tour? We could vote, if we should vote But as there was the suspicion that the last vote was forged, I's suggest we vote again.

profiles for san luis: http://www.toursanluis.com/etapas/

Rockstar Inc wrote:profiles for san luis: http://www.toursanluis.com/etapas/

First stage looks like the same of last year.

I am trying to do Tour San Luis. After some wrong stages seems that i find a key

Hope to do also others correctly but info are not so good or i miss some kms along the way.

All stages are saved as sanluis14_01(numberofstage)

Stage 1 like last year.

Stage 2: Mountain Stage, same arrival of stage3 2013, in the middle the route changes (no more cat 1 in the middle). Length 171km (real one is 170.6)



Stage 3: Flat Stage, arrival on +1, 175km, 21km min-tact ending on +1



Stage 4: Last year this stage was a mid-mountain, i classified it as Mountain stage cause the end is less flat, 30km min-tact, beginning i have a bit fooled around maybe will change a bit



Stage 5 ITT



19km as the real, min-tact from km1.

Stage 6 Mountain Stage same arrive of last year changes the start/middle, 184km long with 20km min-tact :



For the last climb i used the same % of last year, for a bit of coherence, if they are wrong just blame RKL

Stage 7: Flat stage with +2 final on Terrazas. 1km more then the original, 2 laps of a circuit, then other road. min-tact 20km.

stage 9 and 10 are the same for Venezuela

Pokemon Club wrote:stage 9 and 10 are the same for Venezuela

OK Hunsrück saw it too.
I update it

The best of january is online.
Guadeloupe is missing, i cannot find it . ?
Down Under Classic at 20.1 ?

in RL the Classics are at the 19th and the Tour Down Under starts at 21th

Danke Leso! 6 Tage Zeit zur Planung für Januar ist ja überwältigend!

2) The pavé tour looks good. I'm missing a hilly stage

I notice it only now, but yes maybe a stage with some sieb on hills would have been nice for less repetition and more favos/outsiders
Anyway, I guess it's almost too late to adapt one stage as far as it's already in the calendar and some probably set their forms.

We skip Tachira, ok.

4times for SanLuis and 5 for DownUnder is ok, or too much ?
Same question about the 5times for the pave tour, will the groups be consistent enough ? knowing that many teams with strong flat guys (= strong pave skill) will be with their sprinters in Venezuela ... would be sad to see 3-5teams groups on pave ...

olmania wrote:

2) The pavé tour looks good. I'm missing a hilly stage

I notice it only now, but yes maybe a stage with some sieb on hills would have been nice for less repetition and more favos/outsiders
Anyway, I guess it's almost too late to adapt one stage as far as it's already in the calendar and some probably set their forms.

We skip Tachira, ok.

4times for SanLuis and 5 for DownUnder is ok, or too much ?
Same question about the 5times for the pave tour, will the groups be consistent enough ? knowing that many teams with strong flat guys (= strong pave skill) will be with their sprinters in Venezuela ... would be sad to see 3-5teams groups on pave ...

4 times for paves tour looks good. Last year we had 5 times, 4 group between 7 and 9 teams, 1 at 14, maybe better if groups are a little bigger. For San Luis and TDU 5 times looks okay. No problem to have big group else if it was overlaping, not the same profil of teams will ride these tours, so no need to down San Luis at 4 times I think

@olmania
"knowing that many teams with strong flat guys (= strong pave skill) will be with their sprinters in Venezuela ... would be sad to see 3-5teams groups on pave ..."
-> It is possible to ride both or am i blind ?

New Zealand Cat.2 ?
Really ?
It is a pretty shitty race and we are not off-season anymore.

skull wrote:@olmania
"knowing that many teams with strong flat guys (= strong pave skill) will be with their sprinters in Venezuela ... would be sad to see 3-5teams groups on pave ..."
-> It is possible to ride both or am i blind ?

New Zealand Cat.2 ?
Really ?
It is a pretty shitty race and we are not off-season anymore.

venezuela 02.01 -> 13.01
pave 14.01 -> 18.01

skull wrote:@olmania
"knowing that many teams with strong flat guys (= strong pave skill) will be with their sprinters in Venezuela ... would be sad to see 3-5teams groups on pave ..."
-> It is possible to ride both or am i blind ?

New Zealand Cat.2 ?
Really ?
It is a pretty shitty race and we are not off-season anymore.

OK
New Zealand downgraded to Cat1

Thanks leso.

December

Sulawesi 10-12
Antofagos: 5-6
Maya 5-9
Lesotho 6-10
Mpumalunga: 9-8
Syria 8-13

What do this numbers mean? The participation in the morning, 9-11 vs the afternoon, 14-16
Mpuwhatever, clearly the star tour of the month had more participants in the morning. So it's only logic that in January we get this

7 stage races for the morning, 9-11. Every single one
4 stage races for the afternoon.

Great job

No, the afternoon doesn't need every single stage race in January. But neither does the morning. But strangely enough the morning gets every single one each time anyway, even if the participation usually is as bad as in the afternoon. IN dec even worse, usually I guess roughly the same. Thanks a lot and continue with the good job.

Didn't think that this month afternoon kicked the ass to morning every tour except the idiot Mpumalunga which was even in // with Lesotho, so you should make a sum instead of considering them separately.

15 vs 18, afternoon wins! YEYYYYYYYY

Robyklebt wrote: What do this numbers mean? The participation in the morning, 9-11 vs the afternoon, 14-16
Mpuwhatever, clearly the star tour of the month had more participants in the morning. So it's only logic that in January we get this

7 stage races for the morning, 9-11. Every single one
4 stage races for the afternoon.

I cannot follow you, you dont take the 13h races in account, which I count for the early afternoon but you count the 11h races which are more late morning.
Maybe too much 13h races in december but not more.

Ok, now I take the 13h stage races in account.
There were 0 of them. Happy?

Robyklebt wrote:Ok, now I take the 13h stage races in account.
There were 0 of them. Happy?

Then, I dont understand what you mean, Sorry.