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I list the importants races of this season

http://www.radsportfreaks.com/radsport/ ... i_2011.pdf

24.04. - 01.05.2011 Presidential Cycling Tour of Turkey (2.HC, TUR)
26.04. - 01.05.2011Tour de Romandie (WorldTour, SUI)
01.05.2011 Trophée des Grimpeurs Polymultipliée (1.1, FRA)
01.05.2011 Rund um den Finanzplatz Eschborn-Frankfurt (1.HC, GER)
02.05.2011 Subida al Naranco (1.1, ESP)
04.05. - 08.05.2011 4 Jours de Dunkerque / Tour du Nord-pas-de-Calais (2.HC, FRA)
07.05. - 29.05.2011 Giro d'Italia (WorldTour, ITA)
07.05. - 08.05.2011 Vuelta a la Comunidad de Madrid (2.1, ESP)
13.05. - 15.05.2011 Tour de Picardie (2.1, FRA)
15.05. - 22.05.2011 Amgen Tour of California (2.HC, USA)
18.05. - 22.05.2011 Circuit de Lorraine Professionnel (2.1, FRA)
22.05.2011 ProRace Berlin (1.1, GER)
25.05. - 29.05.2011 Bayern-Rundfahrt (2.HC, GER)
25.05. - 29.05.2011 Tour de Belgique - Ronde van België - Tour of Belgium (2.HC, BEL)
27.05.2011 Tallinn-Tartu Grand Prix (1.1, EST)
28.05.2011 Grand Prix de Plumelec-Morbihan (1.1, FRA)
28.05.2011 SEB Tartu Grand Prix (1.1, EST)
29.05.2011 Boucles de l'Aulne (1.1, FRA)

ok, starting with the first MAy Tour,



not sure how severe the Paves are, made them **, if anyone thinks different, let me know

will likely have lots of time during easter from Friday to Monday, planning to do California, Bayern, and whatever is available, hope it works out, will try to finish Dunkerque today.

Aux will do Giro, or?

mhh I've started Dunkerque

circuit of stage 4 is not the same than last year ?
stage 2, new pavé part: *** ?

Cassel is full of pave, noticed when using Google Street View, ok redrew the circuit, had a problem in it. General problem is the circuit is 14,6 km, so I drew it now 15km and let it go once less, but somehow my first try had a major mistake, thank for pointing out olmania. Now added 2km of pave each round.

Ok, this Polish Tour simply was ready, and it's 2.1. so classified high enough,
in real life it's May 6th-8th, but with the Giro starting on the 7th and Dunkerque from 4th-8th,
I'd suggest running it from May 3rd to May 5th. or May 9th to 11th. Stage 2 and 3 are run on one day.

What I don't like at the Polish Tour:

- Gr:Pia. - Noone will be able to know in half a year what stage race a success belongs to when read in the palmares. I know, it's a very long name. Probably siply too long to write it out. But it's a negative criteria.

- As you said, it would be 4 stage races at one day (08.05: Giro, Dunkerque, Madrid, Poland), too much.

- Moving the date of a real race is another point I dislike in general. Ok, I can live with it sometimes. There might be special circumstances where there's no other choice. Then moving it by 1 day has my blessings. But htis one would demand several days to fit.


Let's skip it. We did the same thing with Turkey the past two years. It was okay. It will be okay with this one, too. Let's observe the real race and look how it develops over the years. If its going to establish itself at *.1 level then we can go back to it and make room for it in future years. Maybe they change their date by themselves.

I used the name: Grodów Piastowskich for the tour, but for the stages it would have taken more than half the space.

I'm not sure, if we should even get Madrid on it's real spot, if the course is on in time. I'd even suggest moving Madrid to the 9th and 10th.
Most top teams will likely go for the Giro, or? so those not going shouldn't be split from my point of view.

Next tour I'll do will be California.
If we get picardie and California both done, I'd suggest moving Picardie one day ahead, so they don't overlap, too.
Will Belgium and Bayern both be done? They also overlap with the Giro still running, how many teams can be expected to take the Giro?

I'd be happy with any Decision on the Polish Tour, it was online(contrary to Asturias and Madrid), and so I thought I'd design it.

I would never stop you from your actual run of drawing races Very good job, that. Move on.

But moving real races from their originale date stays unaesthetic; more than one day even worse.

I understand, that moving them from real life dates is bad, but well, the question is, if we want realism or playability, and if we have too many races on one day, they will draw small fields.

I'm sorry I stole dunkerque from olmania, but didn't see him announcing to be doing the race, I already saw it was online a couple of weeks ago, but with so many april races missing at that time, I didn't wanna start may races, now it's time to do May

RohrheimRadler wrote:Cassel is full of pave, noticed when using Google Street View, ok redrew the circuit, had a problem in it. General problem is the circuit is 14,6 km, so I drew it now 15km and let it go once less, but somehow my first try had a major mistake, thank for pointing out olmania. Now added 2km of pave each round.

But there is a problem because the 3cat kills the pavé :s You maybe can cheat a bit and put the GPM somewhere else or just delete it ?
Have a look to my last year draw

I have updatet the first post: http://www.radsportfreaks.com/radsport/ ... i_2011.pdf

olmania wrote:

RohrheimRadler wrote:Cassel is full of pave, noticed when using Google Street View, ok redrew the circuit, had a problem in it. General problem is the circuit is 14,6 km, so I drew it now 15km and let it go once less, but somehow my first try had a major mistake, thank for pointing out olmania. Now added 2km of pave each round.

But there is a problem because the 3cat kills the pavé :s You maybe can cheat a bit and put the GPM somewhere else or just delete it ?
Have a look to my last year draw

Ah, always learning something new, didn't know you can't put cat. on a pave. So I changed the Cats. to the non pave climb, as I think it's important, that the pave is on the later part of the climb and the way to the finish, and not at the beginning of the climb.(checked that via Street View, the pave really "only" is in Cassel.)

RohrheimRadler wrote:

olmania wrote:

RohrheimRadler wrote:Cassel is full of pave, noticed when using Google Street View, ok redrew the circuit, had a problem in it. General problem is the circuit is 14,6 km, so I drew it now 15km and let it go once less, but somehow my first try had a major mistake, thank for pointing out olmania. Now added 2km of pave each round.

But there is a problem because the 3cat kills the pavé :s You maybe can cheat a bit and put the GPM somewhere else or just delete it ?
Have a look to my last year draw

Ah, always learning something new, didn't know you can't put cat. on a pave. So I changed the Cats. to the non pave climb, as I think it's important, that the pave is on the later part of the climb and the way to the finish, and not at the beginning of the climb.(checked that via Street View, the pave really "only" is in Cassel.)

Good job.
A last thing for this stage: the last km is 0% ? It looks 0% ? Maybe the end is one km before this 0% ?
Sorry for everything, but I hope I help you to improve your design skills and make this decisive stage ... perfect !

olmania wrote:

RohrheimRadler wrote:

olmania wrote:

RohrheimRadler wrote:Cassel is full of pave, noticed when using Google Street View, ok redrew the circuit, had a problem in it. General problem is the circuit is 14,6 km, so I drew it now 15km and let it go once less, but somehow my first try had a major mistake, thank for pointing out olmania. Now added 2km of pave each round.

But there is a problem because the 3cat kills the pavé :s You maybe can cheat a bit and put the GPM somewhere else or just delete it ?
Have a look to my last year draw

Ah, always learning something new, didn't know you can't put cat. on a pave. So I changed the Cats. to the non pave climb, as I think it's important, that the pave is on the later part of the climb and the way to the finish, and not at the beginning of the climb.(checked that via Street View, the pave really "only" is in Cassel.)

Good job.
A last thing for this stage: the last km is 0% ? It looks 0% ? Maybe the end is one km before this 0% ?
Sorry for everything, but I hope I help you to improve your design skills and make this decisive stage ... perfect !

Na, no prob, it's better to change it now, then here people complain after it's run. And it really helps me get better
I double checked the stage, and it may be a grafic bug, there is nothing entered after 183km, and 183 is at -301.

Started California:

RohrheimRadler wrote:
Na, no prob, it's better to change it now, then here people complain after it's run. And it really helps me get better
I double checked the stage, and it may be a grafic bug, there is nothing entered after 183km, and 183 is at -301.

Weird ! Sure that the lenght of the stage is 183 at the top of the page ? No mistake because the line starts at km 181 and no km 180 ? It happens to me sometimes, I know, it's boring to check it, more boring when you draw a circuit Anyway I ask that, because I've never seen this graphic problem before

Check the length!

olmania wrote:

RohrheimRadler wrote:
Na, no prob, it's better to change it now, then here people complain after it's run. And it really helps me get better
I double checked the stage, and it may be a grafic bug, there is nothing entered after 183km, and 183 is at -301.

Weird ! Sure that the lenght of the stage is 183 at the top of the page ? No mistake because the line starts at km 181 and no km 180 ? It happens to me sometimes, I know, it's boring to check it, more boring when you draw a circuit Anyway I ask that, because I've never seen this graphic problem before

Ah, now, well finally, now for the one doing the tour online, for stage 4 use "dunkerque11_04_3"

As I needed to give a new file name to get the overwritten accepted.

01.05.2011 Trophée des Grimpeurs Polymultipliée (1.1, FRA)
02.05.2011 Subida al Naranco (1.1, ESP)

both seem not to be run this year, Subida al Naranco has become the 6th stage of the Vuelta Asturias, and the Trophee des Grimpeurs has been scratched it looks like.

I'll be doing the Bayern Rundfahrt likely Thursday evening, Friday.

Why is the name here MAy 2010 ???? 2011!!!
and where is the giro?

In Italy.

I draw the Giro, but now Cronotabella , last km. are not online...and Giro must be perfekt...you must still waiting to see the stage
i can only say that the flat stage aren't good for a pure sprinter

i have seen your drawings a few days ago i think ... but i can't find them anymore .-)
I come back after eastern with big eggs and than i hope you're ready aux ... hihi

ps: and perhaps jps can change the year into 2011