Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 8:24 am
Ok for me if someone designs it. 4-days instead of 6-days and I can reassure RKL that it's for D6.
Good good, reassuring me works. Many other posts aren't reassuring.
On the real tour vs 6 day fantasy, the 6 day fantasy looks way more interesting than a 4 day sprint tour to be honest... And since it's there, looks like it will be hard to use anyway, why not use it. Could have used the Greek tour I proposed for May btw....A D6 only tour woudn't have been wrong their either.
Nomorelulz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 11:52 am
2. I do see a point in offering races for rookies, but in my opinion with our current rookies we are beyond that point that this helps them much. Especially when most of the experienced teams will be at TdF anyway. If we get a new wave, it makes sense I guess. Without it, I dont see the point parallel to a GT.
Help them much in what sense? Help them win races, it would help.
c4f is fun, what is fun about it? Learning? Winning? Trying to win?. I think the most fun part is trying to win, even more than winning. But if you keep trying with a big experience disadvantage, that gap closes fast from some point on, but it is there, it can be frustrating, I imagine, don't really know, after all I win all the time and have an experience advantage
And now look at the rookies with less than 100 races in D6 that would stay there for July. The first 10 of those
4 wins: 1 (pre wave team, might be a comebacker)
1 win: 3 (1 of them is banned)
No win: 4
Win(s) only in Group 2 or 3: 2
Only wins counted, some have other palmares entries. 6 of 10 are winless in open races.
That's the 10 best non-promoting new D6 teams. There's actually even some that will promote winless. That means they need "help" in getting some success. Which helps for motivation. And it's not even only about winning, it's about shaping races. About being more than the overpowered under-experienced newcomer, that is in the defensive most of the time. That can only react really, or act if the big teams "allow" it. Give them a race in a more even playing field and they can shape the race, which is fun. Remember the countless race-shaping Lüthi-Lanfredini attacks? Fun!! It's also easier to develop your own racing style when the field is more even. Right now we're almost forcing the newcomers into a mold, there's only a limited way of racing that makes sense for them. Give them the chance to ride without interference from us., let them ride wildly, let them ride how they want, not how they are forced to by the veterans that shape the race. We have the numbers in D6 for that right now. Even if we would do the sensible thing and add 10 or 20 teams to D1-5, but seems that is stuck somewhere...
So for me it's clear, D6 should regularly get D6 one day editions, same race as everybody else. Difficult during stage races, but even then it would be worth a try to occasionally offer one. See how it goes. During times with no stage race, more often. Doesn't need to be every day, but 3-4 times a week? But for me that should be standard by now, 2 months after the wave joined and we don't have D6 editions? Mind boggling.
And I'll go further: Real races, UCI 1.2 like Brescia, the Visegrad races should be restricted. No D1, D2, D3. Could be D4-6, or only D6 ok for me as well. In reality World Tour teams aren't allowed to participate either. No Pogacar, no Vingegaard, no Van der Poel, no Remco, no Wout there (for those that don't know real cycling, these are like Iskanderov, Lafuente, Winzenried, Lanfredini and Kebede, real stars) Why should we send our heroes there?
And since I hope that by August we'll have possibly cat 5 classics and for sure monuments restricted to the elite (D1-5) (and parallel races, either real ones on the same day, depending on category then open, or D6 only (or D5-6) fantasy) only fair to give D6 their own real races where the big guys can't join. But ok, D4-6 would be acceptable as well.
Nomorelulz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 11:52 am
Im also against a tour for div 6 only, I think 1 day races for only div 6 achieve the same result or an even better one -> they can change their team each day according to the profile, mistakes from the day(s) before dont hurt that much. AND with a tour for div 6 we risk situations that we had in april, where comebackers totally demolished fields and profitted from these situations.
Yes we had a limited number of people doing that, D6 veterans who took advantage of their advantage. We had more nice ones actually. And why wouldn't those same guys not dominate 1 day races then? Changes little.
Pro regular D6 editions starting as soon as possible
pro UCI cat 1.2 races restricted (D4-6 or D5-6 or D6)
Pro Lippe only for D6
Against more stage races for D1-5. Especially parallel to GTs. It also has the potential to make some vulture managers skip the TdF, which otherwise they might ride, to profit from the weaker opposition in 3 stage races parallel to the TdF.
flockmastoR wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 1:10 pm
IMO we should offer Division 6 only races (or races for teams with <xx races if thats a possibility). Some teams might have learned already a lot, but might not have a team to compete with a bergwerk Jeff Smart team/manager combination. So offering them the opportunity to a restricted stage race can be beneficial for many of them. If not, they can still ride the Tour with the big boys or Austria and Sibiu against the non GT riding teams. Maybe someone who started in 2019 cannot understand, but in my memory these races where very popular amongst newcomers.
More concise then me, but says something similar. Restriction by races would work too btw, but is Alk motivated to program something that then the calendar managers might refuse to use again? Probably D6 easier, no further programming involved.
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