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Final PDF
September 2025

Races to be designed:
La Vuelta Ciclista a España >>> TDM
Tour of Britain >>> Radunion
Tour de Luxembourg >>> TDM
CRO Race
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS ITT >>> Hansa
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS Road Race >>> Hansa

Races to be checked:
Maryland Cycling Classic >>> Gip
GP Industria & Artigianato >>> Gip
Giro della Toscana - Memorial Alfredo Martini >>> Official Presentation 5th September >>> Gip
Gran Premio città di Peccioli - Coppa Sabatini >>> Official Presentation 5th September >>> Gip
Grand Prix Cycliste de Québec >>> Tukh
Memorial Marco Pantani >>> Gip
Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal >>> Tukh
Trofeo Matteotti >>> Gip
GP de Fourmies / La Voix du Nord >>> OL / Gip
Grand Prix de Wallonie >>> Gip
Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen >>> Gip
SUPER 8 Classic >>> TDM
Gooikse Pijl >>> Gip
Giro della Romagna >>> Gip
Grand Prix d'Isbergues - Pas de Calais
Omloop van het Houtland >>> Gip
Grand Prix Cerami
Paris-Chauny >>> OL

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Lets discuss, the Pave i have on * as it doesnt look hard in the Streetview.
very Long mintact on the Roadrace sets the race on 188 minutes thats very long but how much does it matter having it 2.5 or 3 hours?

Hansa wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 19, 2025 12:00 pm

Lets discuss, the Pave i have on * as it doesnt look hard in the Streetview.
very Long mintact on the Roadrace sets the race on 188 minutes thats very long but how much does it matter having it 2.5 or 3 hours?

It matters, if it's 3 hours I can't be there for the finish, but if it's 2.5h I can be online.(assming the race is at 15h)

We don't need mintact in a hill 100km before the end, most likely nothing will happen there, and basically everyone have 80 minutes to think about what to do during the hill so no need for such a long mintact.


For the ITT it's shown as normal race now but we already tested TT on the test server, so why not just put it same day of road race and for national teams?

Tour de Luxembourg and ITT World champions at the same day? Is that possible?

Maybe we can add a great tour from the women's from 22.9 till 26.9?

It's a Sunday at the WC... So let's go for the later mintact.

Hansa wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 19, 2025 12:00 pm

Lets discuss, the Pave i have on * as it doesnt look hard in the Streetview.
very Long mintact on the Roadrace sets the race on 188 minutes thats very long but how much does it matter having it 2.5 or 3 hours?

agree, the pave does not look hard. hard to guess what will be the effect on the race, if it will matter as much as the slope in the repetition of the laps. IRL circuit looks quite technical with many turns and these two short climbs; probably very selective, far from the line. climbers and classic men fighting there ?

it's ok to me to leave it as 6* ; also ok to make it 6**, giving more chance to some classics with pavé skills to be WC in RSF (does not happen often !); but would be a strong bias/decision. Difficult to make the climbs steeper according to the real gradients. 6% not so selective in RSF; but again, that's ok I think.

To have more d+ in RSF; and less difference compared to IRL, maybe the circuit could be slightly modified. There are short bumps (300-500m max); these could be a little exaggerated to get a 1% or 2% somewhere in the flatish/dh section of the circuit ? and balance with heavier flat/dh %. this could also get the race more interesting especially for offensive moves and attacks ! (for example, it's seems that km137 -a 3%- shows that well, was probably auto generated and you missed to modify it / include it in usual the circuit because loop before the extra bigger loop ?).

only thing I'd change is the "Cote du Peage" near km149. no flatish km at the top. 5-6% for the 2kms of climbs; or 6-5; or 6-6; and dh comes directly after the top and km143 just before should be the usual 6%, cote du golf no ?

Mur de Kigali : would not be shocked to have a 5% there; cobbles look a bit harder. 5** could be ok and interesting race wise.

Nothing to add, with the many one-day races, there is no need for more tours. Looks very nice.

New course in 2025 after the cancellation in 2024.

Quebec circuit seems to be different this time. Could design it this weekend
Montreal looks the same

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 21, 2025 10:10 am

New course in 2025 after the cancellation in 2024.

Nice !
it seems there is a cobble street in the circuit, thames street. maybe you can add a sector (I did not calculate how long it is) as it looks like real pavé, and not usual super easy city pave (** if the sector is long enough; * if not) ?
also the climb seems to be taking about 200feet, so 61m; a 6% there instead of a 5% maybe ?
With these two changes, the race with its many turns in the city center, a sieb climb and a short pavé sector; becomes more of a "classic" than a simple flat race.

Fourmies looks similar. execpt the very beginning, but not important in terms of distance and %. as of now, I'd suggest to use last year version

Chauny looks the same; only the usual distance issue because of circuits; but the look and spirit is the same and good. can be re used too imo.

olmania wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:34 am

Nice !
it seems there is a cobble street in the circuit, thames street. maybe you can add a sector (I did not calculate how long it is) as it looks like real pavé, and not usual super easy city pave (** if the sector is long enough; * if not) ?
also the climb seems to be taking about 200feet, so 61m; a 6% there instead of a 5% maybe ?
With these two changes, the race with its many turns in the city center, a sieb climb and a short pavé sector; becomes more of a "classic" than a simple flat race.

Yop, thanks, I've added Thames Street 0**.

Regarding the climb LFR has it at 4.7% only (might be right or wrong), but it's my best guess so I kept it at 5%.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 21, 2025 2:59 pm

olmania wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:34 am

Nice !
it seems there is a cobble street in the circuit, thames street. maybe you can add a sector (I did not calculate how long it is) as it looks like real pavé, and not usual super easy city pave (** if the sector is long enough; * if not) ?
also the climb seems to be taking about 200feet, so 61m; a 6% there instead of a 5% maybe ?
With these two changes, the race with its many turns in the city center, a sieb climb and a short pavé sector; becomes more of a "classic" than a simple flat race.

Yop, thanks, I've added Thames Street 0**.

Regarding the climb LFR has it at 4.7% only (might be right or wrong), but it's my best guess so I kept it at 5%.

I relied on their official website and graph there for the climb. Made it by hand myself to check; looks like a 6% for real the top of the climb in LFR is not exacly good (too late). also LFR does not have the little up/down before the climb starts for real; that should explain why they have 4.7% and not 6.1% !
Good for thames street

Super 8 classic stays the same

If nobody has time for it over the weekend, I can work on Britain next week. Looks like everything we need is on their webpage.

Different circuit. In my opinion 6 3 is the best interpretation of the final 2km

Tukhtahuaev wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 23, 2025 12:57 pm

Different circuit. In my opinion 6 3 is the best interpretation of the final 2km

If you're making climbers win this then it's a very poor interpretation in my opinion.

cataracs wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 24, 2025 9:49 am

Tukhtahuaev wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 23, 2025 12:57 pm

Different circuit. In my opinion 6 3 is the best interpretation of the final 2km

If you're making climbers win this then it's a very poor interpretation in my opinion.

6-3 not that clear for climbers, in reality i would bet on a climber too btw (Pogacar is in the provisional start list)

Will soon start designing Luxembourg, I’ll still wait a bit until more info is there though

Hansa wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 24, 2025 8:43 pm

cataracs wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 24, 2025 9:49 am

Tukhtahuaev wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 23, 2025 12:57 pm

Different circuit. In my opinion 6 3 is the best interpretation of the final 2km

If you're making climbers win this then it's a very poor interpretation in my opinion.

6-3 not that clear for climbers, in reality i would bet on a climber too btw (Pogacar is in the provisional start list)

I guess 200km+ circuits are hard for climbers indeed, but we'll see.

cataracs wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 25, 2025 12:10 pm

Hansa wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 24, 2025 8:43 pm

cataracs wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 24, 2025 9:49 am

Tukhtahuaev wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 23, 2025 12:57 pm

Different circuit. In my opinion 6 3 is the best interpretation of the final 2km

If you're making climbers win this then it's a very poor interpretation in my opinion.

6-3 not that clear for climbers, in reality i would bet on a climber too btw (Pogacar is in the provisional start list)

I guess 200km+ circuits are hard for climbers indeed, but we'll see.

I'm also open for different suggestions. Steepest part of the climb has like 800m at 8%. Big problem in general is that short climbs just don't work the same as in real life here, which always makes it difficult to get these things right

Final PDF online

Main change: For the World Champinoship, I'm planning both ITT & Road Race for the same day with the national team system (as in the Flash-era) but with Road Race at 14h (afternoon is popular on weekends) and ITT at 20h (lots of time to make settings for everyone).

Why are the World Championships (WC) suddenly cat. 4? In 2024, they were cat. 3.

Edith says, that they are cat. 3 in the calendar, so only in the PDF cat. 4...

team fl wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 26, 2025 1:14 pm

Why are the World Championships (WC) suddenly cat. 4? In 2024, they were cat. 3.

Because we suddenly ride them with national teams

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 26, 2025 1:41 pm

team fl wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 26, 2025 1:14 pm

Why are the World Championships (WC) suddenly cat. 4? In 2024, they were cat. 3.

Because we suddenly ride them with national teams

Even 4 sounds conservative to me, considering the real-life value of the WC. I think we could discuss 4 vs 5, but 3 sounds too low to me.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 26, 2025 1:41 pm

team fl wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 26, 2025 1:14 pm

Why are the World Championships (WC) suddenly cat. 4? In 2024, they were cat. 3.

Because we suddenly ride them with national teams

Will this info be available in the offical news of the game?

Even 4 sounds conservative to me, considering the real-life value of the WC. I think we could discuss 4 vs 5, but 3 sounds too low to me.

I am sure there is a case for cat. 4 or even 5. But then again, the PDF says cat. 3 for the ITT, cat. 4 for the road race. The in game calendar says cat. 3 for both. So I guess, make your mind up, and change it accordingly .