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Final PDF
July 2025

Races to be designed:
Tour de France >>> see Thread
Sibiu Cycling Tour >>> ECS
Tour of Austria >>> Schartner
Ethias-Tour de Wallonie >>> Gip
Clásica Terres de l´Ebre >>> Gip

Races to be checked:
Trofeo Citta di Brescia >>> Gip
Midden-Brabant Poort Omloop >>> Gip
Visegrad 4 Bicycle Race - GP Hungary >>> Gip
Visegrad 4 Bicycle Race - GP Slovakia >>> Gip
Visegrad 4 Bicycle Race - GP Czechia >>> Gip
Visegrad 4 Bicycle Race - GP Poland >>> Gip
Prueba Villafranca - Ordiziako Klasika >>> Gip
Vuelta a Castilla y Leon >>> Gip

Legend
BLUE = Designer found
GREEN = DONE

Time for Radunion and his check!

Not much to say for July. I do not expect anybody to be interested in riding the Chinese thing. Only a minor question: do we want to make a habit of riding 1.2 races if there is no other one-day race on this day, and someone is willing and able to design it?

Tour times should be discussed too. I understand 20 h is hard to do with 4 additions, but it misses out again. If you do not want the same times as last year, also 22 h should be avoided.

Tour of Austria 2025

St1: 167 km
mintact km 145


St2: 141 km
mintact km 120


St3: 143 km
mintact km 123


St4: 117 km
mintact km 94


St5: 144 km
mintact km 120

Im Kalender 4 Tage ... Bombes Tour hat 5 Tage ... Eins stimmt nicht!?!

Last year we had 5 starting times for TdF.
Why back to 4 again this year?

One Austria time in the morning would be great, or at least 13h

Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:08 pm

One Austria time in the morning would be great, or at least 13h

Austria in the afternoon 14/15 would be good! At least 13 ok for me too

bergwerk cycling wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:59 am

Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:08 pm

One Austria time in the morning would be great, or at least 13h

Austria in the afternoon 14/15 would be good! At least 13 ok for me too

Support this claim!

bergwerk cycling wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:59 am

Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:08 pm

One Austria time in the morning would be great, or at least 13h

Austria in the afternoon 14/15 would be good! At least 13 ok for me too

correction from my side ... at least i cant ride not tour in July

but the preview calender is wrong ... Tour de Austria started one day earlier and have 5 days!

Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:03 pm

Tour of Austria 2025

St1: 167 km
mintact km 145


St2: 141 km
mintact km 120


St3: 143 km
mintact km 123


St4: 117 km
mintact km 94


St5: 144 km
mintact km 120

The naming.

Last year's naming was better. Tour of Austria, not TOA. As for the 25, no need. We know it's 25. If it ends as a palmares entry the date will be right next to it. Cut the 25.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:28 pm

Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:03 pm

Tour of Austria 2025

St1: 167 km
mintact km 145


St2: 141 km
mintact km 120


St3: 143 km
mintact km 123


St4: 117 km
mintact km 94


St5: 144 km
mintact km 120

The naming.

Last year's naming was better. Tour of Austria, not TOA. As for the 25, no need. We know it's 25. If it ends as a palmares entry the date will be right next to it. Cut the 25.

Changed it. Good Idea. Dont know why I did that. think because of this long name problem in editor or so ...

The ** pavé for the 300 meters of pavé is interesting to say the least.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:46 pm

The ** pavé for the 300 meters of pavé is interesting to say the least.

Yes, for someone who doesn't know the surface in reality and only sees it on the internet, that may be the case. I will have a look on it again …

Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:16 pm

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:46 pm

The ** pavé for the 300 meters of pavé is interesting to say the least.

Yes, for someone who doesn't know the surface in reality and only sees it on the internet, that may be the case.

Well, 300meters of pavé at ** means that if it was a full km it would be ******. Harder than the worst pavé on the way to Roubaix!
So it might be ** for somebody who knows the surface in reality, but lacks the thinking capability to use that knowledge for a sensible interpretation.

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:17 am

Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:16 pm

Robyklebt wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:46 pm

The ** pavé for the 300 meters of pavé is interesting to say the least.

Yes, for someone who doesn't know the surface in reality and only sees it on the internet, that may be the case.

Well, 300meters of pavé at ** means that if it was a full km it would be ******. Harder than the worst pavé on the way to Roubaix!
So it might be ** for somebody who knows the surface in reality, but lacks the thinking capability to use that knowledge for a sensible interpretation.

1. My opinion was that in rsf, we only ride 500m in the last km. Hence the interpretation of 2-3 paves as 2 for rsf. However, Alkworld has now told me that although we only ride 500m, the power, distance, etc. are calculated as if it were one km for the last km.

2. As I've designed it now, the power, distance, etc. would be like 3 km with 2 paves – not 1km with 6 paves (but maybe its the same? I dont know) – however, I'll change it – maybe without any paves at all, because 1 paves is just a paves painted on the road

Thanks Donkey for the tips

Sibiu Tour is done.




KOMs are based on points given in the roadbook here: https://ciclism.sibiu.ro/pdf/Regulation ... ur2025.pdf

Final PDF attached.

- TDF stays with 4 editions b/c numbers are not better than in April/May (for various reasons)
- Austria 5-days of course, and stays with 14h edition because of user requests and because Sibiu/Wallonie both have earlier versions

That means just one of the three parallel tours has a morning edition? That's weak. I've asked for an earlier Austria Tour. We have requests for the morning and the afternoon, why don't skip the evening?

Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:17 pm

That means just one of the three parallel tours has a morning edition? That's weak. I've asked for an earlier Austria Tour. We have requests for the morning and the afternoon, why don't skip the evening?

you are right, it was also at 14.00 last year. me as designer did 09.00 - but didnt say it here in forum - thought Gip will do the time of designer and another time - so a bit of "Pech" it seems. And I dont see a guy who said 21.00? but ok no guy said 09.00 or 10.00 ... except me in the designeditor - normal default is 10.00 ... so I have change to Le Tour ... or one day races...or leave designing tours maybe ... think Gipfelstuermer doesnt read a thing ... so what shells

Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:08 pm

One Austria time in the morning would be great, or at least 13h

I've asked for the morning here, but not specific for 9am.

Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 28, 2025 11:01 pm

Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:08 pm

One Austria time in the morning would be great, or at least 13h

I've asked for the morning here, but not specific for 9am.

Yes but maybe Gipfelstuermer has not so much time at the moment and he has no AAD who helped a lot in my opinion.
So c'est la vie.

Arg, sorry, Schart & Chem,

Well I read that you asked for 13 Chem, but bw and AAD asked for 14/15...

And evening, yes, they didn't ask for anything, but look at the Giro parallel tours:

Dunkerque:
10h: 4 teams
20h: 8 teams

Norway:
15h: 6 teams
21h: 11 teams

So evening deserves a slot for sure and between morning/afternoon also afternoon looked more promising to me... but I didn't see Schartners comment, so maybe if I had seen that, would have changed it to morning, so sorry for that. Hope Sibiu 12h and Wallonie 9h is interesting for you.

This whole discussion and calendar thing is so that we get races with decent and more participation, so whenever you're going out of this contest you should rethink about it again, Gip.

Getting the official (final pdf) calendar for next month a few days before the month change is important, but some things like times and editions should still be changeable later on.

But anyway, Austria only two editions is weak I think, should be 3? morning-afternoon-evening. This could be decided after the TdF starts then we get to see the participatioins in parallel races. Wallonie too could get 3 editions.