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June 2025

Races to be designed:
Giro d'Italia >>> OL
Tour of Slovenia
Critérium du Dauphiné
Tour de Suisse
La Route d Occitanie
Copenhagen Sprint
Andorra Classica
NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS (voluntary if you'd like to ride a real NC)

Races to be checked:
Mercan'Tour Classic Alpes-Maritimes
Heistse Pijl
Paris - Troyes
Grosser Preis des Kantons Aargau
Dwars door het Hageland
Elfstedenronde Brugge
Mont Ventoux Denivele Challenges
Giro dell'Appennino

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TDS or Dauphine at 19/20h maybe? missed out at Giro already , for June then only gets the low cat tours instead of a high cat tour?

Slovenia and Dauphine overlapping and both get an afternoon edition but no morning? later the month Suisse and la Route d Occitanie overlapping for 2 morning and no afternoon edition then?
Especially with the morning being very strong recently i dont see why there shouldnt be a morning tour the first half of the month.

better change Slovenia and give it an 8h tour and la Route d Occitanie get the 14h slot to not have overlapping tours in the same daytime?

i would propose:

Slovenia 8 + 19
Dauphine 15 + 22

and
La Route d Occitanie 14 + 18
Tour de Suisse 10 + 20

June always tricky the usual Dauphine || TdS pair and the NC window.

In the PDF, my ambitious idea for more parallel tours in June. That would allow tour-savvy teams to ride 2 tours in June (instead of only 1).

Everything up for discussion (races / nr. of editions / times).

Hansa wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:09 pm

TDS or Dauphine at 19/20h maybe? missed out at Giro already , for June then only gets the low cat tours instead of a high cat tour?

Slovenia and Dauphine overlapping and both get an afternoon edition but no morning? later the month Suisse and la Route d Occitanie overlapping for 2 morning and no afternoon edition then?
Especially with the morning being very strong recently i dont see why there shouldnt be a morning tour the first half of the month.

better change Slovenia and give it an 8h tour and la Route d Occitanie get the 14h slot to not have overlapping tours in the same daytime?

i would propose:

Slovenia 8 + 19
Dauphine 15 + 22

and
La Route d Occitanie 14 + 18
Tour de Suisse 10 + 20

Fully agree with this

Hansa wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:09 pm

TDS or Dauphine at 19/20h maybe? missed out at Giro already , for June then only gets the low cat tours instead of a high cat tour?

Missed out on Giro 2025 yes, but did neither miss out on Giro 2024 nor on Dauphine 2024. And 18h is actually the most popular Giro, so I think it was not a bad decision. Then I had pencilled in 19 or 20 for TDF 2025 (where it also didn't miss out in 2024).

But of course, if there is high demand for 19/20 TdS, it can be changed.

Hansa wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:09 pm

Slovenia and Dauphine overlapping and both get an afternoon edition but no morning? later the month Suisse and la Route d Occitanie overlapping for 2 morning and no afternoon edition then?

Idea was not to 'force' morning/afternoon people into either the Slovenia&TdS or the Dauphine&Occitanie programme, but I see now maybe I 'force' them into riding only 1 tour at their favorite slot.... So probably you are right ^^

Hansa wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:09 pm

Slovenia 8 + 19
Dauphine 15 + 22
and
La Route d Occitanie 14 + 18
Tour de Suisse 10 + 20

Could be a solution, especially if there is a strong preference for TdS 20 over 18 (even though again: 18 has been surprisingly popular when it was there).

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:28 pm

Missed out on Giro 2025 yes, but did neither miss out on Giro 2024 nor on Dauphine 2024. And 18h is actually the most popular Giro, so I think it was not a bad decision. Then I had pencilled in 19 or 20 for TDF 2025 (where it also didn't miss out in 2024).

But of course, if there is high demand for 19/20 TdS, it can be changed.

20 Missed out all of the tours you just named and missed out on Vuelta 2024 too.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:28 pm

Idea was not to 'force' morning/afternoon people into either the Slovenia&TdS or the Dauphine&Occitanie programme, but I see now maybe I 'force' them into riding only 1 tour at their favorite slot.... So probably you are right ^^

But with that solution you split the fields in half as they have to split for one pair of tours and if they cant switch to another daytime dont ride the 2nd pair at all.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:28 pm

Hansa wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:09 pm

Slovenia 8 + 19
Dauphine 15 + 22
and
La Route d Occitanie 14 + 18
Tour de Suisse 10 + 20

Could be a solution, especially if there is a strong preference for TdS 20 over 18 (even though again: 18 has been surprisingly popular when it was there).

after thinking about it a second longer i would give Slovenia 8 + 18 and La Route d Occitanie i would give another late evening slot (21h maybe) instead of 18h then every daytime can ride 1 high and 1 low cat Tour in June.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:28 pm

(even though again: 18 has been surprisingly popular when it was there).

Sure, the most teams prefering 19 and 20h still show up at 18h if you force them to do that.

and if i remember right you not to long ago showed up in the early evening to ask about prefered times of the teams riding there.

Hansa wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:41 pm

20 Missed out all of the tours you just named and missed out on Vuelta 2024 too.

It had TDF 2024, so that should count.

Hansa wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:41 pm

Sure, the most teams prefering 19 and 20h still show up at 18h if you force them to do that.

Not sure if I can conclude that. If there are many teams who prefer 19/20, and what is offered is 18/21, then the 'move' to 18 or 21 should be similar, because it is symmetric.

But I think in the end we actually agree what could be a solution for June, e.g.

Slovenia 8 + 18
Dauphine 15 + 22
Tour de Suisse 10 + 20
La Route d Occitanie 14 + 21

But let's hear some more opinions/preferences, especially for TdS.

Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑

Tue May 13, 2025 3:28 pm

even though again: 18 has been surprisingly popular when it was there

Agree, but would like to point out that it's not really surprising, numbers have usually been there.

Anyway: The past:
23 Dauphiné 15-22 TdS 9-19
24: Dauphiné 9-19 TdS 15-21

Just looking at this would say 9-15-19 who got one the last 2 years probably should take a break this year....
Which would mean 10-14-18/20-22.... And since we insist on counting 20 as early evening nowadays probably 20 makes sense.

But then we go into the Tour de France, last year 9-14-18-20-22 And the Giro 25, 9-14-18-21
So probably 10-15 proposal makes sense (to be changed as usual to 9 for the morning, but I used to like to propose 10 regularly just to keep them on their toes and demand 9 (you could try it with 8 actually) In the evening the question is 2 or 3 editions... with 2 IMO should be 19-22, 19 is a popular time and hasn't had the TdF for a while. if you go for 3 somehow 18-20-22 seems the most logical, but being the same as 24 not ideal? 19-21-23? Anyway, I propose you keep in mind what you plan to propose for the Tour as well...
And looking at all that probably the "main tours" in June should be 10-14-20-22

For Copenhagen sprint I would propose cat 3 for the moment. Yes, it's WT, but:
-We started with cat 3 for the Canadian races too.
-Cadel Evans is cat 3 as well.
-As far as I know it's "fake WT", meaning there's no obligation for WT teams to start, unlike for the "real" WT races, where they have to start. Frankfurt is the same, but gets cat 4 for history mostly.
-The quality of the startlist because of the point above at this point is rather doubtful...

IMO 3 is the right decision for 2025, we can talk about it more from 26 on, when there will be the obligation to start (or well, WT teams can leave out some WT races, something like that, don't remember the details) will be there for all WT races. Then not only for Copenhagen, but also Cadel Evans.

I have the US NC done.

Edit: Alpes-Maretimes is done, and I can start on Slovenia as well.

Copenhagen Sprint


Then I can start with Dauphine