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April 2024
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:03 am
by Gipfelstuermer
Final PDF
April 2024
Races to be designed:
Itzulia Basque Country
>>> OL
Giro di Sicilia = Giro d'Abruzzo
>>> Schappy
Tour of the Alps
>>> Schartner
Tour de Romandie
>>> OL
Belgian Waffle Ride California
>>> Gip
Races to be checked:
Scheldeprijs
>>> Gip
Paris-Roubaix
>>> Gip
De Brabantse Pijl - La Flèche Brabançonne
>>> Gip
Classic Grand Besançon Doubs
>>> OL
Tour du Jura Cycliste
>>> OL
Amstel Gold Race
>>> Gip
Tour du Doubs
>>> OL
La Flèche Wallonne
>>> RKL
Liège-Bastogne-Liège
>>> RKL
Lotto Famenne Ardenne Classic
>>> RKL
Giro della Romagna
>>> RKL
Legend
BLUE = Designer found
GREEN = DONE
Re: April 2024
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 1:03 pm
by Tukhtahuaev
There is no Sicilia this year due to financing issues. Instead there is Giro d'Abruzzo which I guess has taken its place
Re: April 2024
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:54 pm
by olmania
Re: April 2024
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 3:39 pm
by Robyklebt
According to the PCS calendar (not sure what you use, I found PCS quite reliable (after the UCI site became almost impossible to navigate, maybe it's better again):
07.04. Giro della Città Metropolitana di Reggio Calabria 1.1 Same day as Paris-Roubaix, so if ridden better next day...
21.04. Giro della Romagna 1.1. Back after many years. A classic, ok semi classic. The Donks has his doubts if it really will be ridden, the organizer's site shows absolutely 0 info. But then Italian organizers often are a bit messy with their info... But if it does take place this one really should be ridden! Liège day, so again, next day.
If ridden both should be category 2 I guess.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:25 pm
by olmania
Same route, with a minor change in the final climb (steeper street with 1km to go).
Slightly new route, same finish :
Tour du Doubs is the same route as last year.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:08 am
by Schartner Bombe
TOUR OF THE ALPS 2024
Stage 1:
Climbs
Andalo from km 29-46: 4 4 7 6 6 6 6 9 6 7 3 1 4 7 7 -1 2 4
Penone: 11 8 9 8 5
min-tact at 111
Stage 2:
Climbs
Brennero from km 106-117: 4 2 4 7 6 4 5 1 1 1 3 1
Gnadenwald from 173-176: 8 9 10 4
min-tact at km 170
Stage 3:
two times two ramps
Weerberg from km 91-94 and 113-116: 6 6 9 11
Pillberg from km 100-102 and 122-124: 11 11 8
steep downhill to Schwaz after Pillberg, last 5 km: -11 -10 -10 -2 0 (have to doublecheck)
min-tactat km 90 (before first time Weerberg)
Stage 4:
climbs
Passo del Vertiolo from km 97-105: 12 10 12 11 10 9 7 5 3
last climb from km 127-133: 3 3 4 8 10 5 10
min-tact at km 122
Stage 5:
climbs
two times Palu del Fersina from km 56-67 and 81-92: 6 9 8 7 7 7 5 5 7 9 0 4
last km 112-118 maybe interesting: 8 4 -5 -5 -7 1 3 (have to check this again)
mintact at km 80
feel free to discuss defects or mintact or ...
Re: April 2024
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:19 pm
by team fl
Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:08 am
feel free to discuss (...) mintact (...)
Say no more!
Stage 1: Should be at the start of the second Penone climb the latest I think, short race anyway. I would even set it before the first climb (GPM, IS afterwards, most likely a decisive moment during the stage).
Stage 2: Min-tact looks good!
Stage 3: same thing that for stage 1: Min-tact set way too late in my opinion. I would set it at the bottom of the first Weerberg climb, same reasons that during stage 1: short race, decisive moment of the stage.
Stage 4: Either set it at the bottom of the Passo del Compet (what I would do), the bottom of the Passo del Vetriolo or if not there already, wait until the last climb. But 122, just because there is an IS in the only flat section of the last 50 km, is not necessary I think.
Stage 5: Very short stage, km 80 looks okay-ish, but I would prefer it even at the start of the climb up to the Palu del Fersina.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:52 pm
by Gipfelstuermer
Robyklebt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 3:39 pm
According to the PCS calendar (not sure what you use, I found PCS quite reliable (after the UCI site became almost impossible to navigate, maybe it's better again):
07.04. Giro della Città Metropolitana di Reggio Calabria 1.1 Same day as Paris-Roubaix, so if ridden better next day...
21.04. Giro della Romagna 1.1. Back after many years. A classic, ok semi classic. The Donks has his doubts if it really will be ridden, the organizer's site shows absolutely 0 info. But then Italian organizers often are a bit messy with their info... But if it does take place this one really should be ridden! Liège day, so again, next day.
If ridden both should be category 2 I guess.
Thanks! You are right and they are in the UCI calendar, too. I just didnt know those races and at first sight did not realize they are important enough to be ridden on the wrong date. But Cat 1.1 ! So yes! If someone designs them, I will add them on those days (instead of Fantasy Races). If noone designs them, same destiny as Volta Limburg is facing right now.
Otherwise, PREVIEW PDF = FINAL PDF. (Sorry, maybe no time this week to update PDF, because the tool is not my current laptop but on another one where I luckily have no access for one week
)
Re: April 2024
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:52 pm
by Robyklebt
Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:52 pm
Otherwise, PREVIEW PDF = FINAL PDF
Did you see this?
Tukhtahuaev wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 1:03 pm
There is no Sicilia this year due to financing issues. Instead there is Giro d'Abruzzo which I guess has taken its place
Re: April 2024
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:59 pm
by Gipfelstuermer
yes... so Giro d Abruzzo instead of Giro di Sicilia ! Same organiser, same date, but different name! Profiles no info yet I fear.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:54 pm
by Robyklebt
Ok,
wasn't clear from your answer, that's all.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:05 pm
by Schartner Bombe
team fl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:19 pm
Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:08 am
feel free to discuss (...) mintact (...)
Say no more!
Stage 1: Should be at the start of the second Penone climb the latest I think, short race anyway. I would even set it before the first climb (GPM, IS afterwards, most likely a decisive moment during the stage).
Stage 2: Min-tact looks good!
Stage 3: same thing that for stage 1: Min-tact set way too late in my opinion. I would set it at the bottom of the first Weerberg climb, same reasons that during stage 1: short race, decisive moment of the stage.
Stage 4: Either set it at the bottom of the Passo del Compet (what I would do), the bottom of the Passo del Vetriolo or if not there already, wait until the last climb. But 122, just because there is an IS in the only flat section of the last 50 km, is not necessary I think.
Stage 5: Very short stage, km 80 looks okay-ish, but I would prefer it even at the start of the climb up to the Palu del Fersina.
thx FL
ST1: mistake, mintact is at 111
ST3: km 90 is before first Weerberg ?
ST4: 122 is 20km to go. On bottom of Passo del Vetriolo would find it a bit long mintact around 50km.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:38 am
by Gipfelstuermer
Same as 2023
Re: April 2024
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:41 am
by Robyklebt
Giro della Romagna done
Final circuit is 12,5 km long, made it 13, so 2 km longer than in reality. Climb to Bagnolo, cat 3 is 9 6 4 2, after the last lap, 5 extra km to the finish. Mintact 158, so 40 km, then it starts exactly at the the bottom of the third climb. If that's too long, designer would agree to make it km 168.
Hope I did everything right with the "event" wrote down Giro della Romagna, since I don't think there was an event yet.
For history we probably rode it until 2011. Yep, my outstanding press center helps, ridden 07-until even 2012, possibly not in 2008 (although I could just have not ridden it)
Re: April 2024
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:26 am
by Gipfelstuermer
Vielsy à Briastre (-1*** +1*** -2***) instead of Saint-Python
Capelle-sur-Ecaillon à Le Buat (-1*** +3***) & Rue du Tapage (+2**) instead of Verchain-Maugré à Querenaing
No Haspres à Thiant
Comments welcome, but needs to be quick (by end of day tomorrow, very late for publishing already...).
Re: April 2024
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:18 pm
by Schartner Bombe
EROICA SOUTH AFRICA (Montagu, Western Cape)
Re: April 2024
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:02 pm
by Robyklebt
Checked la Flèche Wallonne.
This year not only new start (is like that every year) but different laps at the end too, cut one climb. So will re-design it. No need for old profile for that. Design not today, but this week.
Liège some changes too until Cote de Wanne.... will try to tackle that after the Flèche. Here access to the 2023 edition in the editor would be helpful.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:38 am
by Gipfelstuermer
Run-in from Leuven 2km shorter
Lap also 2km shorter (no Hagaard)
So 197km instead of 205km.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:45 am
by Gipfelstuermer
Robyklebt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:02 pm
Checked la Flèche Wallonne.
This year not only new start (is like that every year) but different laps at the end too, cut one climb. So will re-design it. No need for old profile for that. Design not today, but this week.
Liège some changes too until Cote de Wanne.... will try to tackle that after the Flèche. Here access to the 2023 edition in the editor would be helpful.
I tried to give you (= all) the following functionalities:
>>> Search Profile (to find archived races / working for you already)
>>> Clone Profile (to clone the old profile and then edit it / working for you already)
>>> Change Designer (to become designer if someone else was the designer of that archive race / not even working for admins so far)
Re: April 2024
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:46 am
by Gipfelstuermer
@ Schappy:
Giro d'Abruzzo now on Flamme Rouge. Let us know if you have time for it (as planned) or not.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:53 pm
by team fl
Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:05 pm
team fl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:19 pm
Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:08 am
feel free to discuss (...) mintact (...)
Say no more!
Stage 1: Should be at the start of the second Penone climb the latest I think, short race anyway. I would even set it before the first climb (GPM, IS afterwards, most likely a decisive moment during the stage).
Stage 2: Min-tact looks good!
Stage 3: same thing that for stage 1: Min-tact set way too late in my opinion. I would set it at the bottom of the first Weerberg climb, same reasons that during stage 1: short race, decisive moment of the stage.
Stage 4: Either set it at the bottom of the Passo del Compet (what I would do), the bottom of the Passo del Vetriolo or if not there already, wait until the last climb. But 122, just because there is an IS in the only flat section of the last 50 km, is not necessary I think.
Stage 5: Very short stage, km 80 looks okay-ish, but I would prefer it even at the start of the climb up to the Palu del Fersina.
thx FL
ST1: mistake, mintact is at 111
ST3: km 90 is before first Weerberg ?
ST4: 122 is 20km to go. On bottom of Passo del Vetriolo would find it a bit long mintact around 50km.
Sorry for the late answer, totally forgot about it. Thanks for the answer. And yes, in stage 3, 90 is before the frist Weerberg. Maybe I should check my eyes
.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:03 pm
by schappy
Giro d Abruzzo done. I Didnt Find it in the projects.Every Stage is hilly, because in the official information at the end of every stage are the same Points. And only two Kom cat is there. I decide it for third and first cat in C4F because the one give 5 points and the special 20 points for the first.
Stage 1 mintact km 142
Stage 2 mintact km 132
Stage 3 mintact km 148
Stage 4 mintact km 152
Re: April 2024
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:11 pm
by olmania
Thanks for designing it quickly !
After a quick look on the details/profiles, I have a few propositions for small changes :
stage 1 : last km should be a 0% after the downhill (last 2 could be -1/0 imo). as the stage is labelled with 161kms, maybe you are missing a little bit there.
stage 2 : last km should be +1%; total is 162kms, maybe a little bit missing too.
stage 3 : looks good, 1km less than displayed on their file, but looks good
regular climb, more or less 7% all way up.
stage 4 : looks good, dont' know the % you put for the end. I'd do something like : -8/3/7 for the final 3kms.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:24 pm
by schappy
Tanks alot, i changed it.
The Last 3 KM from stage are shown on the Site as -7,2; +3, and +7,6, i make the last as +7 seems better for puncheurs.
Re: April 2024
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:37 am
by olmania
Good updates, profiles look good !
Now that the details are available on flamme rouge and that I can see it in the calendar preview, that's easier to see what the climbs look like.
I'd personnally make the first two stages more sprinter friendly (with a 5% max instead of 6% in the last climb of each stage; or at least the first one, unsure about the second one); but I guess that's a personnal view of the design and about the possible IRL outcome of the stage. So leaving it as it is (a 6%) is also ok.
