August 2010

[Robyklebt]

Ah, categories in August:

GP Carnaghese: Now you have 1. Was 2 last year, was 1D in the C4a calendar 07 and didn't become less important in the meantime. 2 please.
Dutch food valley classic: In the preview 2. Was 3 before, at least in 08. 09 don't know,was in May. Is the old Veenendal Veenendal with another name. 1.HC UCI and 1C in the c4a calendar 07. 1C=3, back to 3 please
Tre Valli Varesine: 3 in the preview. Always been 4 for us. 1B c4a 07, 1B=4, the UCI status hasn't changed since then, still 1.HC. Clearly a 4
Bernocchi: 3. Always been 3 for us. c4a07 was 1D. 1D=2. If you really want to downgrade on of the trittico lombardo races, then Coppa Bernocchi would be the right one, not Tre Valli Varesine. Keep at as 3 as it has always been for RSF is ok too. Even if 2 probably is closer to reality. Since you upgraded some strange races to 3, this one at least is close to a 3.
Veneto: 4 in the preview. This year has given up its 1.HC status. Was 1B c4a in 07, always 4. Here a downgrading to 3 would be understandeble since now it's only a 1.1 UCI race not 1.HC anymore. I'd be for keeping it at 4, don't think the participation will suffer from the downgrade. But here more reason to downgrade it than for Tre Valli. Finally found the profile for Veneto too.. .will do it over the weekend.

[auxilium torino]

Trofeo Matteotti
In real race,every round will be a GPM at km.8.
Why not in RSF race?

[Robyklebt]

Trofeo Matteotti, 13 laps 14,5 Km... so I made it 14, since my google earth measurements came to 14,35 anyway...
IN reality one GPM and TV per round it seems, but that would be 26, we can only put in 20 so in the end put in 0...

[Robyklebt]

12 laps, 6-2 the climb.

[auxilium torino]

GP Carnaghese: Bei jedes Runde werden zwei GPM geben!
Warum sind nicht bei uns?

[Robyklebt]

Redid Carnaghese. No GPM, in reality 20 of them, but even though it says max 20 leso's editor only let me put in 19!

No clue why, normally 20 should be ok. But it always deleted the last one automatically again, so I killed them all.

[Robyklebt]

Mmh, Tre Valli Varesine not online yet?

Is saved as trevalli10

17.08. and cat 4

Melinda not online either. Exactly the same as 09.

21.08. and cat 3

[auxilium torino]

Mmh, Tre Valli Varesine not online yet?

Is saved as trevalli10

17.08. and cat 4

Melinda not online either. Exactly the same as 09.

21.08. and cat 3

I have Melinda '10
if you want i can draw it!

[Robyklebt]

There's no need to draw it since it's the same as Melinda 09...

But if you want of course you can redraw the whole thing

[auxilium torino]

Mmh, Tre Valli Varesine not online yet?

Is saved as trevalli10

17.08. and cat 4

Melinda not online either. Exactly the same as 09.

21.08. and cat 3

sorry, falsch verstanden!

[Robyklebt]

Oh.. kapiert. Not in the calendar yet wäre klarer gewesen..

[Robyklebt]

Chateauroux Classic de l'Indre on the 29th. We have the 09 version, no idea if it changed, but let's assume not. Put in. Last year cat 1, but should actually be cat 2

Veenendaal-Veenendaal. I think cat 3 would be better.

[olmania]

Race in Austria, the 16August, dear leso, you have to change the mintakt and the middle moutain to HC stage

[skull]

august 25th
the 50ste Vlaamse Druivenkoers Overijse
same route like last year

and Veneto cat.4 - no ?
like the last years ... cyc4all 1.B

[Robyklebt]

Downgraded from 1.HC UCI to 1.1. this year. So a downgrade is understandeable.

[skull]

hm
you wrote that one week ago
i apologize

[Robyklebt]

Well actually a downgrade is understandeble but not necessarily right....

I'd prefer 4 too.

http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/ligne/cla_veneto.php

Even since the PT started, which obviously hurts a lot of races that are not in it, the palmarès is not really below that of Plouay for example. 09 Pozzato vs Gerrans, 08 Ginanni vs Fédrigo, 07 Bertolini vs Voeckler 06 Nocentini vs Nibali, 05 Mazzoleni vs Hincapie.

Now the downgrade to 1.1 UCI.. .will it hurt? Not necessarily, the Italians that are not riding the Vuelta will still very likely start with ambitions, Veneto is still a race with a certain importance. The difference is that they will be able to accept foreign conti-teams, to fill up the field. 1.HC can accept PT teams (max 80%) Prof teams, conti teams from the organizing country and national teams from the organizing country. 1.1 can accept PT Teams (max 50%) Prof teams, Conti teams and national teams too 50% PT teams instead of 80, not a problem since most of the non italian PT Teams weren't starting anyway, but allows to invite non italian Continental Teams. Adria Mobil for example, with Kump who could be the next Bole and others like Mahoric, Nose, Fajt, ok who have less chances to win.. or "italian" teams that are not affiliated in Italy... not sure how many there are in the Conti category.

So while there is a downgrade in the UCI classification that doesn't mean that the race will have a worse participation... not much will change, maybe even slightly better, at least numbers wise.

That's why I would have kept it at 4 at least for this year, then see how it develops. But ok, as I said, a downgrade is acceptable (unlike the Schelde downgrade..)

Other thing:

We risk going back a year or so. For the last year it had gotten better. Not the 10 completely flat races per month, more with at least some hills, even if often still end in a sprint. This month it seems much worse again.

1 Getxo (real) (+ otehr option)
3 Lloret (+ other option)
6 Sizilien
8 Bochum (real)
10 La Habana (+ other option)
12 Stuttgart
13 Venendaal (real)
16 Ljubljana
23 Red Deer (+ other option)
27 Weymouth
29 Chateauroux (real)

11 basically complete flat km that risk being very boring. 4 of them real, keep them in, of course. But then add 7 fantasy ones? Why not potentially more interesting ones? Like we have too, Mallorca Cycling Cup (mmm, a name thief!!!) which will likely be a sprint too, but with hills early and 2 +5 towards the ends can end up differently, or La belle Bretonne with + 5 +5 in every lap. But can end up in a sprint with most sprinters too. Those races are much more interesting usually. Even if the result is similar. And adding another option... not perfect either.

Anyway, feel this month we clearly overdo it with the complete flat races. After the 4 real ones, max another 3-4, ok, but another 7? Too much. Back to what we had earlier this year, with more challenging sprint races.


Ok, have to go... already late, bad RSF.

[auxilium torino]

17 august:Stad zottegem (real kat.1.1) !
25 august:Druivenkoers - Overijse (also kat.1.1), we have in kalender only an Algerien fantasy race
29 august:Schaal J.C. Sels Merksem (naturally 1.1)
all 3 Belgium

Guarain and co. don't want working???

[NoPikouze]

Hmm druivenkoers seems to be the same profile as last year

[olmania]

problem with : Mailand-Bergamo August 30th
The circuit is not right, not the good alti (you can chack it easily at the top of the 1st cat !).

[lesossies]

problem with : Mailand-Bergamo August 30th
The circuit is not right, not the good alti (you can chack it easily at the top of the 1st cat !).

I see
Can we live with it ?

[lesossies]

1 Getxo (real) (+ otehr option)
3 Lloret (+ other option)
6 Sizilien
8 Bochum (real)
10 La Habana (+ other option)
12 Stuttgart
13 Venendaal (real)
16 Ljubljana
23 Red Deer (+ other option)
27 Weymouth
29 Chateauroux (real)

There are a lot of tours and oneday races as option.
Bochum not really flat.
Ok Stuttgart too much ("hügel" was not a good desciption) -> canceled
And lot of very hard hill races between the flat ones. Hard week for sprinter teams between 16 and 23.8, I think they are goint to counter now.
And a lot of hard tours with Burgos, Portugal, Vuelta ....
I find it good balanced now.

[Robyklebt]

Bochum not flat?

Max 4... from 5 it's "siebable"... which makes it flat if there are a few sprinterteams. A classic rider might get away, but will be caught

But Bochum not the point anyway, real race, put it in.

And not complaining against sprint races. La belle Bretonne can be one too, Bernocchi can be a sprint too, other races not in the list as well. Just like to see more of those a bit more challenging, some very challenging ones, less of the really easy ones. Not 0, the real ones plus a few others.

[Cerro Torre RT]

Seems i made a mistake when making the race Classica Granada-Monachil, making it with the old excel editor and probably not chosing a min-tact-point at all. But the one that is currently set is much too late, and i am very sure i at least did not set this one. It should be the start of the last roud at km 151, so please correct it.

[lesossies]

It should be the start of the last roud at km 151, so please correct it.

151 ???? instead 150

OK tact60 point can wait. I remark that I must change the times else I´ll get a midnight time conflict.