June 2024

[IDF]

Dauphine in the afternoon would be nice for me 13/14/15 ok

really only 2 editions and than morning and early evening?
no chance for afternoon? 13/14/15 (cant ride suisse)

Clearly a thing that i don't understand for a couple of years.

2 editions for a little tour, in parallel program, is already too less (3 editions are ok imo) but why not considering their low category (and ofc, depends of the period, on holidays for example, that could be understandable.)

But for 1-week tours like Suisse,Dauphiné... insane. They are treated like races on parallel program..

As said RACP/Quick in previous posts, some guys are not interested by 1day races, but only for tours, could be nice to have more of these, with more diversity and at least 3 editions. Especially considering the higher number of players.

[Gipfelstuermer]

But for 1-week tours like Suisse,Dauphiné... insane. They are treated like races on parallel program..

As said RACP/Quick in previous posts, some guys are not interested by 1day races, but only for tours, could be nice to have more of these, with more diversity and at least 3 editions. Especially considering the higher number of players.

Insane?? Dauphine afternoon last year had 7 teams. Seven. Let's see how TdS afternoon will be now... I am normally quite optimistic about participation, but even with higher numbers now... I doubt it will be a number justifying having both in parallel in the afternoon.

And if you are not interested in one day races, it's ok for course. Your decision. But those who like one day races also have the right to have a calendar so that one day races - more often than not - can happen with good participation. If you like one day races, the time during GTs is tough... so at least in between there should be a few good days for one day races.

[QuickSprint]

But for 1-week tours like Suisse,Dauphiné... insane. They are treated like races on parallel program..

As said RACP/Quick in previous posts, some guys are not interested by 1day races, but only for tours, could be nice to have more of these, with more diversity and at least 3 editions. Especially considering the higher number of players.

Insane?? Dauphine afternoon last year had 7 teams. Seven. Let's see how TdS afternoon will be now... I am normally quite optimistic about participation, but even with higher numbers now... I doubt it will be a number justifying having both in parallel in the afternoon.

And if you are not interested in one day races, it's ok for course. Your decision. But those who like one day races also have the right to have a calendar so that one day races - more often than not - can happen with good participation. If you like one day races, the time during GTs is tough... so at least in between there should be a few good days for one day races.

I do agree one race people also should have the same rights as people who like tours. But having a rough time during GTs... There are 3 GTs that last almost 1 month. The rest of the year per month we maybe have 1 or 2 tours that last 1 week. But I understand is hard to please everyone. I would just like that we would have more tours maybe we could even use the december tours not used and cut them a bit? Or open a thread for people to submit week long tours, 4-5 days and use them around the year and keep fan favourites for other years. About the 2 times for these small tours. I does suck Dauphine will be hard for me to come home in time for the races but I will try anyways. But if these are the most popular times then good job. If not keep these small tours in the most popular times.

So to make it short. Would be cool to have 2 week long tours per month or 3 tours if they are 3-4 days. And I still think that we shouldn't have put dauphine and TdS in paralel. I do get the argument for people wanting the real dates. but they would only lose the real date of a ITT of 5km. Does that really ruin the exprience that much? I dont think so. We do struggle with tours to make because building races do demand work and when we have a chance for people that love tours to have 2 decent tours in a month we cant race them both because people want real dates... Hard to swallow

RACPTeam

[Bright]

Seems like 2 years in a row the teams that would like to ride the suisse and dauphine got blocked due to almost the same amount of votes. Cant we try the other side this year and let us (the ones that wanna ride both) be allowed to do so. Last year we couldn't so it would omly seem fair, to try it the other way around.

[Bright]

just counted the votes

7 for riding both
3 neutral
4 original dates

Seems like a clear winner to me tbh.

[Hansa]

Seems like 2 years in a row the teams that would like to ride the suisse and dauphine got blocked due to almost the same amount of votes. Cant we try the other side this year and let us (the ones that wanna ride both) be allowed to do so. Last year we couldn't so it would omly seem fair, to try it the other way around.

no it wouldnt because its a general rule to not change Dates of real races. to do this we need a lot more discussion

i didnt count 7 votes for changing i even counted more for keeping it but statements like that of TTV and stevens are not clear at all which one they prefer ( the one of TTV even counters his own argument so no clue)

[Bear]

Maybe we should never open this discussion again. You just need to decide between Dauphine and TdS, between TA and PN, ... there are always some decisions to make.

[flockmastoR]

We have real National Championships again in June. If you want to design a real NC race, feel free to do so, we will then replace the robo created profiles with the real ones. I saw Hansa already designed the race in Switzerland:



I did the Austrian NC based on the information I found:

[Elaska]

Yesterday we had almost 2x less participation than the previous Monday. The one day races don't attract a lot of people.
Dauphiné and TDS are for climbers only.
Why not adding another tour without mountain // to TDS?
Fantasy one day race cat 1 are not interesting for a lot of people. Think about it

[flockmastoR]

Yesterday we had almost 2x less participation than the previous Monday. The one day races don't attract a lot of people.
Dauphiné and TDS are for climbers only.
Why not adding another tour without mountain // to TDS?
Fantasy one day race cat 1 are not interesting for a lot of people. Think about it

Today we have 20 teams in the usually very weak afternoon. Probably we should try to discuss on a more general level than picking certain dates to prove a point.

PS: There is another tour planned after TDS, but I have not heard any proposals for it so far.

[Tukhtahuaev]

Proposing Tour of Moldova obviously. I'm not sure if there is even another tour ready that would fit the criteria

Also fantasy pavé race. A bit of pavé in Eroica, BWR and the real races, but nothing I would consider a pavé race. So would be nice to have one

[IDF]

But for 1-week tours like Suisse,Dauphiné... insane. They are treated like races on parallel program..

As said RACP/Quick in previous posts, some guys are not interested by 1day races, but only for tours, could be nice to have more of these, with more diversity and at least 3 editions. Especially considering the higher number of players.

Insane?? Dauphine afternoon last year had 7 teams. Seven. Let's see how TdS afternoon will be now... I am normally quite optimistic about participation, but even with higher numbers now... I doubt it will be a number justifying having both in parallel in the afternoon.

And if you are not interested in one day races, it's ok for course. Your decision. But those who like one day races also have the right to have a calendar so that one day races - more often than not - can happen with good participation. If you like one day races, the time during GTs is tough... so at least in between there should be a few good days for one day races.

1) So with 3 editions, you can put one of these two tours (which concern the same kind of riders, so not really a problem for climber teams...) with 1 afternoon edition. For example : 9-14-19 and the other 10(11)-18-22. => 2 choices for morning guys, one for afternoon, 2 for late afternoon, 1 for evening.

And picking only the lowest number of all "periods" in a day is a bit funny. Look the evening, the afternoon etc.

2) And I know that there are a lot of guys who like stats, it could be nice to see if tours have a real effect, increasingly or decreasingly about the participation.

3) And well, adding tours could add diversity about riders. It's been a long time since we didn't see a tour for leupold or even for TT riders, february?
We have only few leupold (only 3-4), few tt riders...

[Elaska]

There are now more activ teams, yes it's a fact, so having another tour different in // is not that illogic?

Lituania by OL or Moldova by Tuk are good no?

[olmania]

ZLM could be designed quite fast too if Lithuania/Moldova are not good enough for diversity : a tour where flat TT specialist can get the GK, as all other stages seem to be flat; or only with very light pavé.

btw :

[Hansa]

1) So with 3 editions, you can put one of these two tours (which concern the same kind of riders, so not really a problem for climber teams...) with 1 afternoon edition. For example : 9-14-19 and the other 10(11)-18-22. => 2 choices for morning guys, one for afternoon, 2 for late afternoon, 1 for evening.

giving the morning a parallel tour? the morning barely has enough guys for one tour at a time

[Hansa]

PS: There is another tour planned after TDS, but I have not heard any proposals for it so far.

i propose my new created own flat tour in Iceland (all pave is *)

[Robyklebt]

Muur and Bosberg the same as always

Congoberg, from that side there is pavé. 400m according to la flamme rouge, 280m according to my google maps measurement. Easy * pavé, so nothing for us.

Rosweg last year 0* -1*, this year -1* -1*. Actually had it at ** at first this year, the pavé itself is * ok, but the street is narrow... but finally like last year better maybe, there is the gutter to ride in as well.

Hope did all the annoying stuff right too, anybody ever proposed simplifying some things in the editor?

[flockmastoR]

Proposing Tour of Moldova obviously. I'm not sure if there is even another tour ready that would fit the criteria

Also fantasy pavé race. A bit of pavé in Eroica, BWR and the real races, but nothing I would consider a pavé race. So would be nice to have one

Can you please check the profil of the tour and start the review. Otherwise, I cannot plan the tour!

[Tukhtahuaev]

Proposing Tour of Moldova obviously. I'm not sure if there is even another tour ready that would fit the criteria

Also fantasy pavé race. A bit of pavé in Eroica, BWR and the real races, but nothing I would consider a pavé race. So would be nice to have one

Can you please check the profil of the tour and start the review. Otherwise, I cannot plan the tour!

Done

[Alkworld]

With the goal in mind to have more active players, I would also be a friend of having Dauphiné and Suisse with three each. After all, they are only overlapping shortly and currently we have only one tour for each typical time in two whole weeks. In the end, I would assume we'll have more players being able to ride in total. Small contra would be that both tours are very similar, so many tours won't consider them at all. An alternative would be to have some easy fantasy tour in parallel (for attracting different team types).

[IDF]

So we stay at 2 editions per tour?

[flockmastoR]

So we stay at 2 editions per tour?

The final calendar plan was published on the 24th. So yes it stays at 2 editions.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Same as last year as far as I can see.

[flockmastoR]

Tour de Suisse










Updated KOM/IS. Tissot KM realized as 2x IS. Last editions just used a regular IS but IMO more realistic to have 2 IS (both give bonus seconds in real race).

If not comments until tomorrow, I will publish it as it is now!

[Hansa]

If not comments until tomorrow, I will publish it as it is now!

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_S ... #Reglement

according to this every stage has the same amount of Sprintpoints, maybe we can categorize all stages as mountain stage to get that effect?