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Re: October 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:39 pm
by luques
Already set the NC to be played the 26th.

Something to be noted from last NC? Times / categories were ok for everybody right?

Re: October 2019

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:39 pm
by Rasmussen
luques wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:39 pm
Already set the NC to be played the 26th.

Something to be noted from last NC? Times / categories were ok for everybody right?
Not really relevant but why are the swiss courses always that flat? Not known for flat races.

Re: October 2019

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:40 am
by Gipfelstuermer
luques wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:39 pm
Something to be noted from last NC? Times / categories were ok for everybody right?
Maybe a (small) prize money could improve participation? Last NC's people were alone in many races...

Re: October 2019

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:59 pm
by luques
Rasmussen wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:39 pm
luques wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:39 pm
Already set the NC to be played the 26th.

Something to be noted from last NC? Times / categories were ok for everybody right?
Not really relevant but why are the swiss courses always that flat? Not known for flat races.
Ok, I may change it a bit, there's not that much flat in Switzerland

Re: October 2019

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:10 pm
by luques
Gipfelstuermer wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:40 am
luques wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:39 pm
Something to be noted from last NC? Times / categories were ok for everybody right?
Maybe a (small) prize money could improve participation? Last NC's people were alone in many races...
Actually money were removed because there were a limited number of people that got a lot of money from it.
So partecipation isn't much influenced from that (at least in the past where as usual we had races with a team attacking from km1 and arriving to the end).

Personally, I basically never play NC, never liked the structure / random times / number of riders per team.

Re: October 2019

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:55 am
by Robyklebt
Definitely no money, that would only make the problem worse. The problem being (or one of the problems not the only one) that in too many countries there's just one team with x riders that has the win assured if he/she just shows up. So makes no sense for others to even try, if you're online, look, oh, he's there, leave. Or oh, isn't there, attack. And that's it then... Add money and there's an other incentive to "buy" NCs by having a high number of riders in one country, won't improve the racing at all.

Categories? At this point I think putting all to cat 1 makes more sense than keeping the different categories.

What I would propose on the other hand is:

Don't ride certain NCs.
Countries with less than 10 riders from at least 5 teams with points=no NC. If the "countries" thing in statistics is correct, right now there's 55 countries with 10 or more riders with points. Out of 80, so at the moment we'd cut at least 25, probably more due to the "from 5 teams" extra rule.
Ok, just checked, that statistic is eternal points, I of course meant current points, so we would get rid of even more NCs.

If in an attack of common sense you decide to follow the enlightened advice of the celestial Donkey then:
a) You will get criticized by a minority who will feel cheated out of their deserved epic sucksesses.
b) The majority won't care or even support the common sense solution.
c) Make the deadline for the 10 riders/5 teams thing on Wednesday 10/23rd. Put the qualified NCs online then too. If you know you'll have time for it then, if not one day early/late ok too.
d) Make a better captcha, since the Donkey has been deleting 2 spambots per day on average, not that he doesn't enjoy the destructiveness of deleting users, he does, he does, but genocide of spambots really isn't as much fun if it becomes a habit.

d you might actually think about even without the common sense NCs :!:

Times:
a) adjust to when you get up and plan to be online on that day. Bug stuff.
b) If you manage to get up early, starting at 9 going on till 23 wouldn't be wrong either, if we have 80 NCs. Right now it's 10-22, 80/13= a bit over 6 per hour, making that 15 we go down to 5.
c) If you have this urge to use common sense that I mentioned above, the 10-22 is ok of course, we'll probably end up with 40 or so NCs... :D

Re: October 2019

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:58 am
by Robyklebt
Another Donkeypost:

Guangxi seems to be in work. Good.

But we still have the pavé tour problem. Last year we had a competition for it. Want to do it again? I'm not the organizer, Pokemo.... was/is, so up to him to decide if he wants to stay the organizer for that. If he doesn't still open if we do it by competition or somebody just designs one. Still 3 weeks to go, but knowing early wouldn't hurt, especially if it's a competition.

I don't really care how we get a pavé tour, the important thing is that we do get one.

Re: October 2019

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:49 am
by Pokemon Club
Robyklebt wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:58 am
Another Donkeypost:

Guangxi seems to be in work. Good.

But we still have the pavé tour problem. Last year we had a competition for it. Want to do it again? I'm not the organizer, Pokemo.... was/is, so up to him to decide if he wants to stay the organizer for that. If he doesn't still open if we do it by competition or somebody just designs one. Still 3 weeks to go, but knowing early wouldn't hurt, especially if it's a competition.

I don't really care how we get a pavé tour, the important thing is that we do get one.
I'll open a competition

Re: October 2019

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:49 am
by Pokemon Club
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Short Mintakt for each stage (15-20km), if it is OK for you you can upload Donkey

Re: October 2019

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:41 pm
by Robyklebt
Mintact is designers decision, so changes only in exceptional cases.

But stage 6 doesn't look finished to me yet :!:

Re: October 2019

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:25 am
by Pokemon Club
Robyklebt wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:41 pm
Mintact is designers decision, so changes only in exceptional cases.

But stage 6 doesn't look finished to me yet :!:
Ah sorry. It is OK now

Re: October 2019

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:13 pm
by Mangahn
Thanks for making it. Would you please check the last 3 KM of stage 4? Flame Rouge got : https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/246687

Okay, not sure I like 7-8-7 more^^

Re: October 2019

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:24 am
by Pokemon Club
Tour des Paves 2019

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Re: October 2019

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:27 am
by team fl
Nice one, I like it. Didn't have to the time to design a "memorial" fantasy TdP, unfortunately.

Re: October 2019

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:16 pm
by Robyklebt
How many riders per team?

Re: October 2019

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:11 pm
by Pokemon Club
Robyklebt wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:16 pm
How many riders per team?
9 riders/ teams

Re: October 2019

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:23 pm
by luques
Sorry guys, wanted to do some modifications to the NC but arrived wayyyy to late as I didn't have internet.

Have fun anyway tomorrow. Will save it for the next ones.