March 2011

[Mangahn]

http://www.letour.fr/2011/PNC/COURSE/us ... cours.html
http://cyclinglinks.nl/

Most races are still not avaiable. T-A and some minor Races are on since today or even yesterday.

[Robyklebt]

Vlaamse Pfijl=cat 1. Now it's 2, Shouldn't be. Just because it has pavé it doesn't mean it's important
Paris-Troyes=cat1. Now it's 2. Shouldn't be. Just because it's in France doesn't make it important.

Milano Sanremo from what I know is the same as it was 2010. Could be put in.

Friuli will be presented tomorrow... maybe then they put something online too? In case they'll do it I'll design it, the version on now is the old one.

[olmania]

http://www.letour.fr/2011/PNC/COURSE/us ... cours.html
http://cyclinglinks.nl/

Most races are still not avaiable. T-A and some minor Races are on since today or even yesterday.

PN is ok, I did the first half yesterday. I will try to finish this week-end.

[RohrheimRadler]

I found maps for Jalajah Malaysia, which is a 2.2 from March 8th to March 13th, should I design this, not sure, if you want another stage race next to T-A and P-N, but perhaps as a DIV 5 and 6 Tour it would be good for those not wanting to run into top teams at T-A and P-N.

[Luna]

Don't think we need it. Who wants to avoid the conjecturally top teams at the 2 stage races is free to ride the single day races.

[Luna]

Le Samyn 6 Editions?! Please don't. If you want so many races that day add another fantasy race.

[auxilium torino]

TA at 10 o'clock, 15, 18 and 21!
last time are 99% tour from 10 to 22...
i must working in moment from 10 o'clock to 23 or later, with 2 hours relax in the afternoon(normally 15.30 to 17.30), but I want to play too, and i don't understand why, give no chance for all the players.i don't understand why afternoon rf are ever 14 or 15 hours, at last time morning are 10 or 11... are ever the same people that can play.
i think that if we have a tour morning on 9 , the other must be 2 hours later...and the same on evening.

Now Calabria and TA the evening time is on 21 hours, why not a tour on 23 ?

From 27 februar
2 race on 10
1 race on 12
2 race on 15
1 race on 17
2 race on 18
1 race on 19
2 race on 21
1 race on 22

why not one race or Tour on 9 morning?
why not one evening on 23, and only one on 18 hours, and only one on 21?

[RohrheimRadler]

Don't think we need it. Who wants to avoid the conjecturally top teams at the 2 stage races is free to ride the single day races.

Ok, it has a boring profile anyway, I'd really like to see a tour between the 15th and 20th, as after T-A there is none until Catalunya and Coppi et Bartali.

[Pirkio]

We want back the 8 A.M. Tour

[Luna]

Ok, it has a boring profile anyway, I'd really like to see a tour between the 15th and 20th, as after T-A there is none until Catalunya and Coppi et Bartali.

But it's not unusual that there are some days without a tour on the calendar. Do we need to pave the whole calendar with multiple stage races all the time, double, triple..?

[RohrheimRadler]

Ok, it has a boring profile anyway, I'd really like to see a tour between the 15th and 20th, as after T-A there is none until Catalunya and Coppi et Bartali.

But it's not unusual that there are some days without a tour on the calendar. Do we need to pave the whole calendar with multiple stage races all the time, double, triple..?

well, being pretty new to the game, I'd love it that way to have some choices, or go for a lower profile race to avoid big teams, there are a lot of teams in the game compared to reality, so I guess more races may be cool.

[Luna]

The crowd will already be splitted to P-N and T-A plus the single day races. Adding another tour might lead to mini pelotons. We experienced that before. It's not nice to see a whole tour ridden with only 5 teams, like for example the Tour de Langkawi last month.

[RohrheimRadler]

The crowd will already be splitted to P-N and T-A plus the single day races. Adding another tour might lead to mini pelotons. We experienced that before. It's not nice to see a whole tour ridden with only 5 teams, like for example the Tour de Langkawi last month.

Yeah, thats obvious, wouldn't want to add a tour parralel, I got that, but after both are finished it would be nice to have a couple of small tours, there is one in Brazil, but couldn't find profiles.

[Robyklebt]

Zu Aux:

Ony 4 TA editions. I would have expected 5, both for PN and TA. And would have been for 5. Stage race, people less flexible of course, plus a certain importance, so 5. No problem with Murcia and West Flanders at 4.

Always 14-15? Agree, 16h should get more times. Probably not what you meant, but still, 14+15 are used way more often than 16. Shouldn't be. The RSF afternoon is 14-16, all three time should be used.

Easiest solution here: Add a 23 for Tirreno

Make PN 9-14-17-20-22

And to come back to the afternoon, give Catalunya at 16 in the afternoon. Seldom used time that doesn't have a big drop from 14 and 15. 12+13 missing? I really don't care. I oppose any introduction of regular 12-13 times for important tours since for sure that would only take times away from the afternoon, once again. Smaller tours? Cat 1-3 (during the real season) Give them 12-13 too sometimes, no problem at all. And if then there they prove incredibly popular, beating out the morning and afternoon regularly, then ok, then the morning and afternoon have to give up some important tours. But that hasn't been the case so far, so for the moment. Cat 4+ tours: no 12-13.

Rohrheim: Agree with you, that there should be more D5-6, maybe even D4-6 sometimes tours. That ONLY those teams can start. Tours like Normandie or other highly unimportant stuff that is in the real calendar. 100% against offering that for D1-3/4, but offering it just once, maybe 2 for D4/5-6, yes. Plus 1 day races, this could be races that are offered for D1-4 teams as well, just one special time reserved only for D5-6.

[lesossies]

I thought to program only 4 Paris-Nice at 11,16,19,22 but I could program 5.
Tirenno at 23h could be OK too.

Tirenno : 10,15,18,20 ....23 or 10,15,18,21,23
PN : 11,16,19,22 or 9,14,17,20,22

My preferences in red.
9h bad field ?

[lesossies]

How is it with
Monte Paschi ?
Nokere ?
Dwaars door Vlaanderen ?
e3 Harelbeke ?
Wevelgem ?

Criterium International ?
Lombarda ?
De Panne ?

same like last year ?

If I don´t get new versions, I´ll put the 2010 version into the calendar and change them later if necessary.

I didn´t find any profils for Catalunya, only infos that Stage 3 will finish in Andorra (Vallnord) that means a mountain finish . I see no TT or TTT !
http://www.steephill.tv/volta-a-catalunya/

[Robyklebt]

Monte Paschi: Expected Aux to do it, not sure if he has the time. will check if there are changes later on.
Dwars: Doing it now, sorry, that north stuff takes time if I do it. 2 days, at Km 150 now.... slowly, need breaks.
E3: Do it later
Gent-Wevelgem: Do it later
Nokere: Looked at it, small changes, do it later

Tours:

Catalunya not on, should come soon
Lombarda: Postponed to september.
De Panne: No clue.
CI: No clue

Coppi e Bartali is there too, think Aux will design it, he said he has time later in march anyway.

[RohrheimRadler]

Found this about the Criterium International 2011:

According to Vélo Magazine in February 2011, the stages will be quite similar to the one in 2010:
- the first stage, extended from 175 to 200 km, still takes place on the south side of the island and goes towards Propriano in a clockwards direction, before exploring two new climbs (Saint-Eustache and Aullen) before the final climb of the Col de l'Ospedale (963 m)
- the stage in line on Sunday is similar to the one which took place last year
- the short final individual time trial has been modified to avoid Porto-Vecchio's city center on the day where they have local votes. It's almost completely flat while last year a short climb at the start made it a difficult time trial

would this be enough of info for the designer of the 2010 edition to do it? No Profiles on official page yet

[skull]

the Oceania Championships
at the 17th

[Robyklebt]

Friuli on today and done.

187 km, came to 193, just cut the first 6 to keep it simple, since they just have a huge map and who knows if I took some detours somewhere...

5-4-8 the mountain

saved under friuli11a

[Robyklebt]

Monte Paschi: Exactly the same course as 2010. Put it on.

Milano Sanremo: We have the version from iBan and 2009 again?

Same course 09-10-11 as far as I know.

Differences:

Let's ignore anything until Le Manie (although I remember not being too happy with the 2010 Turchino....)

Le Manie:
http://www.gazzetta.it/grandeciclismo/m ... lita.shtml
2009 8-8-5-9-2
2010 7-9-4-8-4

First 2 km can go both ways (7,5% - 8,7% ) then 4 or 5, should be 5 (4,7%), then 8 (7,9%) then there are only 700 meters left, goes up 28 meters, so 4% over 700 meters. here again I would rather go with 4 than 2, or with 3. Both versions work, I slighly prefer the 09 one, the 4 in the middle, brrr, but why not just 7-9 or 8-8 then 5-8-3?

Capo Berta: That's the BIG question. Remember that last year my tests tended to give a 6 in Capo Berta too. It's 2,5 Km long and goes from 2 to 130 meters.
2010 4 4 5
2010 2 5 6

Again, my tests said, probably there is a 6. BUT.... very unreliable measurements around there, easily verifiable with google earth, the mediterranean is not all the same altitude either...could just be wrong measurements. But the 09 version doesn't look realistic anyway, 4 to start, that would mean 500 meters at 8% since it's really only 2,5 Km? And even if the first 500 meters are really the steepest..then a 500 meter flatter part, then it would deserve more than a 4. Ok, third possibility, it' really longer than 2,5 km, but my newest measurement say it's rather less than more..... No guarantee, but to me the 2010 version looks better.

Cipressa:

6-4-5-5
6-5-4-5

The 2 versions, the same, doesn't really matter. (Actually looking at that impossible thing http://www.gazzetta.it/grandeciclismo/m ... _ukm.shtml other versions possible too)

Poggio:

2009 5-4-2-3
2010 4-4-3-3

2010 the more correct versions jsut going be the numbers. 2009 probably simulates it better.

Last 3 km: Clearly 09 better, 0 -1 0, not -1 0 0 !

Why not a mix of the 2 versions? 10 Berta, 09 Poggio and last 3 km. And 11 Manie so that I have something to show as well...

[Elaska]

Why the races are not the same day likee the last year ?

[Pirkio]

why Loire Atlantique is only from div 5 and the MI-SA the most important classic race of the year is for all? and not just for 1 - 4?

[Robyklebt]

WHY?

Please...

Let's start at the beginning.

Sometime a long time ago somebody in Persia I think, maybe it was somewhere else, for some reason had the idea to make a week. 7 days that form a unit. Why, no clue. Probably if that guy lived nowadays he would create a browsergame or something. Anyway, this dude, or this collection of dudes, somehow over time, or maybe all of the sudden came up with this weird unit made up of 7 days. Nowadays, a long time later, everybody that has had contact with civilization uses that thing called week. Heard it was introduced even in Aix last year.

Now race organisers for the most part have their races on a certain day of the week. For example Milano Sanremo is tradionally on a saturday. Why? Public, of course on a tuesday less people have time to stand on the side of the road, less people have the possibility to watch TV. So Saturday it is. Not Sunday because of Religion. Either football or catholicism. At least that's my guess. And that's the same every year. Milano Sanremo on a saturday. Now a year normally has 365 days, every 4 years 366 days. No let's try to divide this by 7. Ups, doesn't work, it's 52,142857. And every 4 years it's 52,285714. Very fascinating stuff. BUT, that means that if you fix something on the day of the week, the date will change from year to year. Unlike your birthday, that's fixed on the date. But, oh wonder, it's not always on the same day of the week.

Hope that helped you solve this mistery.

[olmania]