February 2011

[Robyklebt]

Klebt again.

Right now Ruta del Sol 5 times. Mmh. not sure it's a good idea. Ok, you haven't gotten any feedback on what else will be designed.

Potentially Ruta del Sol overlaps with Oman (that's done and sure) Haut Var (2 days, somebody shoudl find the time to do it) Algarve (5 days, harder) and Sardegna (I think Aux will do it, but he should say that himself so that we really know)

Last year we had Sol 5, Oman 4, Haut Var 3, Algarve 2.

Those for all overlap each other.
Then Sardegna, only overlaps with Sol (plus Het Volk of course) 2 times

Would be nice if we had more "balance"... so not Sol 5, Algarve (if designed) 2. Yeah, Ruta del Sol is probably the oldest of those races, but in the end not more important then the others, they are all pretty unimportant cat 2 things. So there really isn't a "main tour" that should be rideable for all this month. Why not change it a bit, probably too late, I know, still say it.

Sol and the 3 potential others maybe a total of 14 like last year but maybe more 4+4+3+3, instead of 5-4-3-2. Sol and Oman being already designed, get 4 each, Haut Var and Algarve if they come later get 3. If really nobody does it I probably would design one of the 2 later on, even though I'm really not in the mood to design one more for february... 10-15-19-22 one 11-17-21-23 the other, then 14-20-23 and 10-18-22 or something like that, basically morning, afternoon, both have to lose at least one, early evening 1, evening favored since there are more managers around, only time to get decent numbers for the Sachsen Pavé.
Then 3 Sardegna or so. IMO would be better than 5 Sol, 4-5 Oman because they are done, Algarve and co 2 or 3 like last year. Of course as long as you don't know what will be designed.. difficult.

If too much work, forget it, otherwise why not take one Sol out again for the moment? If then nothing else is done, ok, we have one fewer edition for once... or you can add one somewhere somehow.

[Luna]

Feb 3 Doncaster - Halifax km 160: 30(!) cobble stars. Go, OL, go. Next time 50?

[olmania]

Feb 3 Doncaster - Halifax km 160: 30(!) cobble stars. Go, OL, go. Next time 50?

Traditional bug. Not my fault ^^

[bergwerk cycling]

What is the right time for the national champion chips?

13.2. or 19.2 ... there are different days in the calender

[Luna]

13

[bergwerk cycling]

13

thanks

[Robyklebt]

Attention

Het Volk (refuse to write the new more complicated and long name) on the 26th. We have the version from 2010.
But, it has changed. Nothing useable online at their website, but from Cyclingnews in December:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/extra-c ... nieuwsblad

So don't trust the profile online now 100%. There will be a new cobble stone section somewhere. will be ridden 3 times, this one

http://rvv.be/en/tourism/slopes-and-cob ... 0/haaghoek

So ****

Anyway, big question for 2011. Will Aywaille design the north again? Good job in 2010 I think, maybe sometimes a bit too "short term", but better do it right than fast. Problem is that he doesn't seem to be around that often somehow.... if Gaurain reads this here, ask him, unless he reads it himself.

Edit: Actually that pavé seems to have been in in 2010 but just once and very early, was a **/*** last year... but that was before we found the Ronde site with the good info. Mmh, when I praised Aywaille for 2010 just before... correct myself, very good job after Het Volk Het Volk probably not much time and IMO less good, strange Muur too. (8/***)

[Robyklebt]

Steep at the start, the 2 GPM easy, one 7 (being nice, could have been a 6) A 6 in the last hill, then flat
Still for sprinters.

[Luna]

Tour of Qatar
Feb 6 to 11










File names;

qatar2011.p
qatar2011.1
qatar2011.2r <--- Caution! Differing file name format due to saving problems at 1st try
qatar2011.3
qatar2011.4
qatar2011.5

[Luna]

Have I done something wrong with the french editor? Marked a stage as half stage or something like that? Qatar consists of 6 single stages. One per day. 6 days. It's looking somewhat damaged in the racing calendar.. But 8 editions!?

[Robyklebt]

No no, nothing wrong by Luna. Somebody else did something wrong, let's not say who though, let's just ignore it for another 24 or so hours...
Leso said it was idiotensicher....grrr

[auxilium torino]

22 to 26 Feb:Giro di Sardegna
27 feb :Classica Sarda
Profile are not online...i can draw it!

[lesossies]

Have I done something wrong with the french editor? Marked a stage as half stage or something like that? Qatar consists of 6 single stages. One per day. 6 days. It's looking somewhat damaged in the racing calendar.. But 8 editions!?

yes wrong point in the name

[Luna]

Oh


Apropos wrong character:

Tour of Oman: 2nd stage: The Wave, Muscat-Al Wutay

I wonder if the comma will cause problems with the finance page again, as it often happend with the ";" in the past.

[auxilium torino]

OK...i will a little bit order:
15-20 feb Oman Tour online
16-20 feb Volta Algarve come soon
19-20 feb Haut Var come soon
20-24 feb Ruta del Sol online
22-26 feb Giro Sardegna Not profile online

Calabria on 22?? an error for me Sol and Sardegna at the same time
maybe on 27 feb...next real tour on 4 March

i don't like that 4 tour are on 20 februar...maybe a little change possible?

[lesossies]

I didn´t think we get all tours.
If we get them, OK

20. February not realy optimal.

We could ride the prolog before the first stage at 21.2 in 2 half-stages, not optimal too .
Ruta del Sol one day later ?

[Rockstar Inc]

hm why Ruta del Sol one day later? it's a tour where we have already the profiles, we have them since the january...IF we change something it should be a tour which isn't in the calendar right now...

[auxilium torino]

i think we can haut Var postponed to 25-26 feb!

[lesossies]

OK Ruta del Sol stays like it is.
Haut Var 25.-26.2
Calabria 27.2-1.3

[Rockstar Inc]

*thumbs up*

[Robyklebt]

I disagree:

If we get Haut Var, keep it where it is.

Last year we had:

Oman 15-20. 4 times, between 12 and 17 participants
Algarve: 17-21: 2 times, one with 9, the other with 21 participants
Haut Var: 21-22: 3 times, 9, 22, 24 participants
Ruta del Sol 21-25 5 times, 11-24 participants

Ok, I'm an idiot, just realized that it looks like Leso changed the starting days for OMan and Haut Var last year. Grrr. All the work for nothing, wanted to show that it worked last year without changes.. grrr..
Basically Oman became compatible with Haut Var and Ruta del Sol, which it shouldn't be. Stil, Algarve wasn't, we had 10 Tours with ok participation.

Anyway, this year so far in the calendar:

Oman 15-20 4 times 11-16-19-22
Sol 20-24 4 times 10-15-18-21

Might be designed later:
Algarve 16-20
Haut Var 19-20

Just give them 2 or 3 each, that's it. If you are afraid with 3 the participation is to low at some times, just give 2. Then it would be 12 tours parallel. Would work, if you think we can deal with 14, give 3, or 2+3, then it would be 13.
Of course I give a recommendation too:
Algarve: 17-23h
Haut Var: 12h-20h-(22h)
Nothing for the morning and the afternoon, IMO they probably can't support a third race. Haut Var as a weekend tour would be ok to have at the untypical time 12, (13 ok too).


Calabria? compleletly irrelevant, it's a fantasy tour in the real calendar. Fantasy because it was end of January-beginning of february, then it was part of the real calendar, end of February it's not anymore. Now it should have the same importance as any 3 day fantasy tour. I wouldn't even programm it anymore actually.But if you want, do it whenever you want, but don't cut any real race that actually take place.
So 27th is a bad place for it to be.
On the 27th we have Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne, cat 3
Then Lugano (same as every year, you could put that online anytime)
Almeria
Classica Sarda
Boucles du Sud Ardèches.

Here ok ok, I realize that it will be difficult to have all 5 races on the same day. But definetly don't put a tour that took place a month before on that day too.
Yes, probably there isn't any date until the end of the season where a 3 day tour doesn't run parallel to some real race, but don't choose the busiest sunday of the month. Probably 28th-2nd would work best.
Only Le Samyn on the second suffers, and maybe some of the races from the 27th that you might change to the 28th, 1st.

Short: Keep Haut Var where it is: (If somebody designs) 19-20
Don't put Calabria at the 27th.


More about that weekend, 26th 27th.

No answer from Aywaille, Gaurain no answer to my PN either, the course of Het Nieuwsblad has changed, by now it's online too. I'll do it this weekend. If then Aywaille after all wants to do it again, no problem, use his version. But I have no intention of becoming the flanders designer 2011! We still need another guy for that job if Aywaille doesn't want it.
Het Volk/Nieuoeuiowsblablablad: 5 editions: Too much.1) It's a saturday, most people are more flexible. 4 is enough. 2) It's a cat 4 classic, it's actually the real start of the season, all that comes before is just training, the first race that counts So try to get high quality groups. That means: Less editions. Especially on a saturday when the majority of the managers is more flexible. And if you insist on 5 editions (big big big big big mistake) cut the useless 23h one, add one at 16h move 17 to 19 or something like that. The afternoon, for the past year or so has regularly been the strongest best visited time on saturdays. So if one time deserves 2 editions on saturdays: Not the evening, it's the afternoon. But for Het Volk: 4 editions is enough, cut the fifth.

[auxilium torino]

ALGARVE 2011

[NoPikouze]

No answer from Aywaille, Gaurain no answer to my PN either, the course of Het Nieuwsblad has changed, by now it's online too. I'll do it this weekend. If then Aywaille after all wants to do it again, no problem, use his version. But I have no intention of becoming the flanders designer 2011! We still need another guy for that job if Aywaille doesn't want it.

in a PM

Je ne vais pas retravailler sur les flandriennes, je manque de temps cette année.

No Aywaille and no Gaurain neither imo since he has no time to ride.

[skull]

Sardegna is online now
FORZA AUX

[auxilium torino]

morgen ist Haut Var dran..Montag arbeit am Sardegna