June 2012

[Woddeltown Team]

GP südkärnten AUT 1.2 03.06.

[Woddeltown Team]

An exotic Tour..short Stages, but with high mountains.
http://www.tourdesingkarak.com/2012/
04. - 10.06.2012

[Woddeltown Team]

Zeeland is not a tour anymore, only a one day race. 09.06.

[Woddeltown Team]

GP Van Coningsloo 03.06.12

[olmania]

Great work !
For the cobblestones, when you can it's good to put the "*" or "**" f.e in the profile, write it in the text thing on the editor When it's a circuit, write it only once. For example, you could write it for the pavé in the circuit of GP van Coningsloo, this pavé might be important for the race. For the pavé in the early part, it's not necessary imo (and there is already a lot text due to the hills).

ps : stage4 of the indonesian tour, the cat2 in Malakak is in downhill

Btw, the details for Dauphiné are here, I started it. I'll try to finish it for tomorrow or after tomorrow

[Woddeltown Team]

Great work !
For the cobblestones, when you can it's good to put the "*" or "**" f.e in the profile, write it in the text thing on the editor When it's a circuit, write it only once. For example, you could write it for the pavé in the circuit of GP van Coningsloo, this pavé might be important for the race. For the pavé in the early part, it's not necessary imo (and there is already a lot text due to the hills).

ps : stage4 of the indonesian tour, the cat2 in Malakak is in downhill

Good to have four eyes
Indonesia Stage 4 is corrected, was 1 km too late
At Coningsloo all cobbles are marked

[Woddeltown Team]

Now its complete

[bergwerk cycling]

Les Boucles Tour

9 - 13 - 17 - 19 -21 -23

No tour in the afternoon 14-16 o'clock, but in the evening all 2 hours?
Plan or Error?

[lesossies]

Les Boucles Tour

9 - 13 - 17 - 19 -21 -23

No tour in the afternoon 14-16 o'clock, but in the evening all 2 hours?
Plan or Error?

Like I said ... If you mean 14h is better than 13, we could race at 14h

but we must decide it this weekend

[bergwerk cycling]

if you ask me personaly ... 14, 15 or 16 is ok ... would be nice 1 race in the afternoon
thks

[sylvainmeteo]

if you ask me personaly ... 14, 15 or 16 is ok ... would be nice 1 race in the afternoon
thks

+1, that's a bit annoying that theres really few races between 13 and 16h

[polist4ever]

2-9 june is Tour of Romania 2.2 UCI ... What is the limit date to post the profile ?? For now the profile is not posted on the oficial site but he tolds me via email that will be post the profile next week

[olmania]

2-9 june is Tour of Romania 2.2 UCI ... What is the limit date to post the profile ?? For now the profile is not posted on the oficial site but he tolds me via email that will be post the profile next week

If the tour starts the 2nd of June, it should be better to have the profiles for RSF for Monday or Tuesday But if we don't have romania it's not a big deal, not one of the "main races" of the month

Anyway, I finished the Dauphiné :







Now leso have many races to make a good calendar. Dear Leso, add few one day fantasy races (TT & pavé races as well), and we'll have a great calendar almost a week before the 1st of June

[gaurain rx]

Well, WHY THE HELL ALWAYS REDRAWiNG RACES THAT HAVE ALREADY DRAWN IN THE PAST... ANd furthermore maybe to even not take a look at what have been done the last years.

Look at Ster zlm Toer... It's highly funny to see the differences of draw of stage 2 and 3 (the same parcours, only 3km more for this one) with the 2011 version. Who is wrong or right, I dunno (even if I think I'm right, it's not against you Woddel).

So please, take care of what have been done in the past... It would maybe avoid a totally unecessary amount of work.

[NoPikouze]

No doubt my design was the best !

[Woddeltown Team]

Well, WHY THE HELL ALWAYS REDRAWiNG RACES THAT HAVE ALREADY DRAWN IN THE PAST... ANd furthermore maybe to even not take a look at what have been done the last years.

Look at Ster zlm Toer... It's highly funny to see the differences of draw of stage 2 and 3 (the same parcours, only 3km more for this one) with the 2011 version. Who is wrong or right, I dunno (even if I think I'm right, it's not against you Woddel).

So please, take care of what have been done in the past... It would maybe avoid a totally unecessary amount of work.

Before you start criticizing, have a look at the profiles from last year and have a look now!
At Stage 3 you are (maybe) right concerning the profile, but the intermediate sprints are partly different. And if we should take a intermediate mountain cat. 2, i do not know.
But the other stages:
Stage 1 (last year Stage 2): Stage is 24 (!) km shorter and the mountain is 18km before finish and not 7.
Stage 2 (last year Stage 1): also 14km shorter and two intermediate sprints less then last year.
Stage 3 (last year Stage 4): see above
Stage 4: Seems to be a different location with other destinations AND (more important) 28km shorter.

So why should we let the profiles in the calendar, when there are such differences?
You can be sure, that i always check the old profiles first before drawing the new one and if you look above (Franco quotet me), you see, that i thought how funny it is, that the profiles look the same, but the stages are shorter.

[gaurain rx]

Well, WHY THE HELL ALWAYS REDRAWiNG RACES THAT HAVE ALREADY DRAWN IN THE PAST... ANd furthermore maybe to even not take a look at what have been done the last years.

Look at Ster zlm Toer... It's highly funny to see the differences of draw of stage 2 and 3 (the same parcours, only 3km more for this one) with the 2011 version. Who is wrong or right, I dunno (even if I think I'm right, it's not against you Woddel).

So please, take care of what have been done in the past... It would maybe avoid a totally unecessary amount of work.

Before you start criticizing, have a look at the profiles from last year and have a look now!
At Stage 3 you are (maybe) right concerning the profile, but the intermediate sprints are partly different. And if we should take a intermediate mountain cat. 2, i do not know.
But the other stages:
Stage 1 (last year Stage 2): Stage is 24 (!) km shorter and the mountain is 18km before finish and not 7.
Stage 2 (last year Stage 1): also 14km shorter and two intermediate sprints less then last year.
Stage 3 (last year Stage 4): see above
Stage 4: Seems to be a different location with other destinations AND (more important) 28km shorter.

So why should we let the profiles in the calendar, when there are such differences?
You can be sure, that i always check the old profiles first before drawing the new one and if you look above (Franco quotet me), you see, that i thought how funny it is, that the profiles look the same, but the stages are shorter.

I talked about the draw, the intermediates and the category hill system could have changed, I don't care (even for Ster, they only put hill and no categories, so it's a bit up to the designer).

Before you start criticizing, have a look at the profiles from last year and have a look now!

Well, I'll only take stage 2 and 3, I never talked about the others.

2 : You wrote "Cauberg" but where is it (on your draw) really! + Final circuit exactly the same lenght, the same road as last year... Just compare yours and Nopik' (It's like Ying and Yang.. And once again, I don't know which one is good)!!! I can't imagine you took a look at his draw! In fact, you are right, they've shorten the stage of some km but final is exactly the same!

At Stage 3 you are (maybe) right concerning the profile, but the intermediate sprints are partly different. And if we should take a intermediate mountain cat. 2, i do not know.

Well, ok, we seems to be on the same line... and as I already said, inter and hill categories change from time to time!!

Anyway, It was not a "Woddeltown" criticism. It's just that I know more of these races (or pay more attention) cause I know a bit the places (or drew it last year)... But would be the same criticism if Mortirolo would be changed everytime we climb!!!

I'm not against changes (the past things are not perfect), but it's a loss of time and it becomes a big mess if we don't pay attentions of the former draws.

[S L Benfica]

National Championats 2012 in Portugal
circuit 50km, 4 times!

nm_portugal_cn.etn

[Woddeltown Team]

2 : You wrote "Cauberg" but where is it (on your draw) really! + Final circuit exactly the same lenght, the same road as last year... Just compare yours and Nopik' (It's like Ying and Yang.. And once again, I don't know which one is good)!!! I can't imagine you took a look at his draw! In fact, you are right, they've shorten the stage of some km but final is exactly the same!
I looked at the draw before. Unfortunately I deleted my old posts, but when I started drawing only the profiles of stage 1 and 2 were online on the official site. I worried, that the profile looks the same as last year, but the stages are shorter. Also the only hill on the sittard stage: i guess it is a big difference between a "5" 7km before finish and a "5" 18km before finish.

Anyway, It was not a "Woddeltown" criticism. It's just that I know more of these races (or pay more attention) cause I know a bit the places (or drew it last year)... But would be the same criticism if Mortirolo would be changed everytime we climb!!!

I'm not against changes (the past things are not perfect), but it's a loss of time and it becomes a big mess if we don't pay attentions of the former draws.

Anyway i know what you mean, but if you followed the past, you will know, that i first take a look at the old profile.
For stage 3 I should have watched at fhe forum for June 2011 and only change the indermediates...could be possibility.

I can only talk for myself, but i did a mistake at the beginning of my drawings, so I learned to first a have a look at the old profile. And I compare it a second time after drawing before putting it into the Editor.

[sylvainmeteo]

TDF profiles ONLINE! (for some stages at least)

[skull]

NC Luxembourg

[polist4ever]

2-9 june is Tour of Romania 2.2 UCI ... What is the limit date to post the profile ?? For now the profile is not posted on the oficial site but he tolds me via email that will be post the profile next week

If the tour starts the 2nd of June, it should be better to have the profiles for RSF for Monday or Tuesday But if we don't have romania it's not a big deal, not one of the "main races" of the month

All stages is up on site (romania12_stage1 ... romania12_stage9). One thing ... stage 1 and stage 2 is both on same day, 2 june.

[Woddeltown Team]

The Design looks interesting, but i see several problem.

1.) you should name your stages as they are. For example: Stage 2: Harsova - Galati or something like that. And maybe you should mark some points of interest, cities and names of the indermediate sprints and so one - if it is possible.

2.) It is a bad date for this tour. When the tour starts, there is Luxemburg, a tour for strong sprint teams and classic riders. And before the tour ends, there is Dauphine and west sumatra and i think thats too much at the same time.

[sylvainmeteo]

Already done a Romania Tour by me

[lesossies]

French Circuit for the CN:

with geo coords : stamand.c4f
I add some citcuits and it is OK, what a selectiv profil