July 2025

[Gipfelstuermer]

This whole discussion and calendar thing is so that we get races with decent and more participation
[...]
But anyway, Austria only two editions is weak I think, should be 3? morning-afternoon-evening.

I agree on the first part but when looking at Giro parallel participation (Dunkerque, Norway) I don't understand how you get to your conclusion to be honest.

[Schartner Bombe]

Arg, sorry, Schart & Chem,

Well I read that you asked for 13 Chem, but bw and AAD asked for 14/15...

And evening, yes, they didn't ask for anything, but look at the Giro parallel tours:

Dunkerque:
10h: 4 teams
20h: 8 teams

Norway:
15h: 6 teams
21h: 11 teams

So evening deserves a slot for sure and between morning/afternoon also afternoon looked more promising to me... but I didn't see Schartners comment, so maybe if I had seen that, would have changed it to morning, so sorry for that. Hope Sibiu 12h and Wallonie 9h is interesting for you.

ok, can understand your arguments. no problem.

[cataracs]

This whole discussion and calendar thing is so that we get races with decent and more participation
[...]
But anyway, Austria only two editions is weak I think, should be 3? morning-afternoon-evening.

I agree on the first part but when looking at Giro parallel participation (Dunkerque, Norway) I don't understand how you get to your conclusion to be honest.

I thought Austria was a more known stage race that deserves 3 editions? But after checking the profiles I don't think it will have many participants so two could be enough indeed.

[flockmastoR]

This whole discussion and calendar thing is so that we get races with decent and more participation
[...]
But anyway, Austria only two editions is weak I think, should be 3? morning-afternoon-evening.

I agree on the first part but when looking at Giro parallel participation (Dunkerque, Norway) I don't understand how you get to your conclusion to be honest.

I thought Austria was a more known stage race that deserves 3 editions? But after checking the profiles I don't think it will have many participants so two could be enough indeed.

It isn't (and never was) popular for its design but because there are many Austrian managers in the game and because there are a lot of German managers in the game that go there for holiday

[Gipfelstuermer]

>>> Anyone time for and interest in designing Wallonie?

[olmania]

>>> Anyone time for and interest in designing Wallonie?

you see details of stages for Wallonie somewhere ?

[Gipfelstuermer]

you see details of stages for Wallonie somewhere ?

Only a video on the website, so we probably need to wait a little bit.

[olmania]

you see details of stages for Wallonie somewhere ?

Only a video on the website, so we probably need to wait a little bit.

Yes, that's all I see for weeks since I check it time to time, clearly not enough to design it, even by hand

[Gipfelstuermer]

you see details of stages for Wallonie somewhere ?

FYI Now details online including GPX on their website

[olmania]

you see details of stages for Wallonie somewhere ?

FYI Now details online including GPX on their website

Oh thanks, I will go have a look. it was not there 2 days ago when I checked last.
If someone have time to design it fast (I'm not sure I can get it done by the weekend); please say it, do it; and I'll happily review it if needed

[Gipfelstuermer]

Started with Wallonie et1. Not an easy stage race to design with all the small hills and circuits.

Won't have time on the weekend, so if someone else can help, would be great.

[olmania]

Started with Wallonie et1. Not an easy stage race to design with all the small hills and circuits.

Won't have time on the weekend, so if someone else can help, would be great.

Thanks !
If I have time I try to do one or two stages tomorrow. If someone works on it too, please write it in the in game calendar chat, so we can organize ourselves with the work; as Gip said, the circuits are tricky (on every stage it seems). Would be nice to get it done before wednesday

[Gipfelstuermer]

Wallonie DONE

Actually a super interesting stage race, but a pain for designers. Complicated circuits, annoying KOM classification, contradictory information in roadbook etc. Therefore, a few comments on the stages:


Roadbook-Profile claims there is Pave on Fournau Saint-Michel, but I couldnt find any and Roadbook-Table also doesnt show Pave. So I put it as Asphalt.




Chateau d'Antoing. I put it as +3***. Any expertise comment is welcome.


La Redoute 6 10
Roche aux Faucons 10 4
(I believe those are the L-B-L percentages)

[olmania]

Wallonie DONE

Actually a super interesting stage race, but a pain for designers. Complicated circuits, annoying KOM classification, contradictory information in roadbook etc. Therefore, a few comments on the stages:


Roadbook-Profile claims there is Pave on Fournau Saint-Michel, but I couldnt find any and Roadbook-Table also doesnt show Pave. So I put it as Asphalt.




Chateau d'Antoing. I put it as +3***. Any expertise comment is welcome.


La Redoute 6 10
Roche aux Faucons 10 4
(I believe those are the L-B-L percentages)

Thank you ! I was about to start !

Quick review.
For the first stage, last km is about 4.6% average, so 5% makes sense. I'd personnally go there for a 4%, more appropriate for puncher in RSF (like it might be irl) and less climber's friendly than a 5%. Also, more possible to block a 4%, theorically.

Second stage, 2% as last km instead of 3% as it's easier to block in RSF and more sprinter friendly (mass sprint expected irl there) ?

Third stage, the pave sector is only about 300m, right ? and on streetview, the pavé look quite easy, even if possibly slippery. That stage is the second stage sprinter's friendly of the tour. So a * is better imo. 3% is ok, so 3%* would look better imo.

all good if LBL %

last stage last km should be a bit uphill, 3% look good there. also last kms before that are not all flat. +1/-2/+3 would look good for the final 3% of that tour (so the circuit would need a little adaptation there)

[Gipfelstuermer]

Third stage, the pave sector is only about 300m, right ? and on streetview, the pavé look quite easy, even if possibly slippery. That stage is the second stage sprinter's friendly of the tour. So a * is better imo. 3% is ok, so 3%* would look better imo.

Thanks, made some amendments.

On the pave, I had to check: So I thought they go Rue Wattecant + Rue Alavale + Rue du Cure (based on map and table) but actually they only take Rue Alavale (based on GPX), so it's 400m, I think. At least that's what I get with Maps and what they put in the profile for the uphill part (says 0.4km @ 4.9%). Now, how to simulate that best... would still think it's somehow selective so probably I'd go +3** then.

[olmania]

Third stage, the pave sector is only about 300m, right ? and on streetview, the pavé look quite easy, even if possibly slippery. That stage is the second stage sprinter's friendly of the tour. So a * is better imo. 3% is ok, so 3%* would look better imo.

Thanks, made some amendments.

On the pave, I had to check: So I thought they go Rue Wattecant + Rue Alavale + Rue du Cure (based on map and table) but actually they only take Rue Alavale (based on GPX), so it's 400m, I think. At least that's what I get with Maps and what they put in the profile for the uphill part (says 0.4km @ 4.9%). Now, how to simulate that best... would still think it's somehow selective so probably I'd go +3** then.

The road book says 320m of cobbles; you found it's actually longer than that ? Might be a bit selective yes, hard to predict. but 320m at pro riders speed ... selection can't be big I think.

[bergwerk cycling]

for information and perhaps to implemented it at least in the next days: misses in the whole July a itt/ttt race and a solorace with a mountain in the end^^

[olmania]

Third stage, the pave sector is only about 300m, right ? and on streetview, the pavé look quite easy, even if possibly slippery. That stage is the second stage sprinter's friendly of the tour. So a * is better imo. 3% is ok, so 3%* would look better imo.

Thanks, made some amendments.

On the pave, I had to check: So I thought they go Rue Wattecant + Rue Alavale + Rue du Cure (based on map and table) but actually they only take Rue Alavale (based on GPX), so it's 400m, I think. At least that's what I get with Maps and what they put in the profile for the uphill part (says 0.4km @ 4.9%). Now, how to simulate that best... would still think it's somehow selective so probably I'd go +3** then.

Last question : stages 2-3 categorized as hilly ? Was it on purpose ? I did not see any info about sprint points, did you ? If not, maybe these two stages as flat would look better ?

[Gipfelstuermer]

Last question : stages 2-3 categorized as hilly ? Was it on purpose ? I did not see any info about sprint points, did you ? If not, maybe these two stages as flat would look better ?

According to roadbook, they are all classified the same:

Un classement par points est établi par l’addition des points obtenus, à l’arrivée, dans chacune des 5 étapes.
Il est attribué respectivement :25-20-15-10-8-6-4-3-2-1 points aux 10 premiers coureurs classés à l’étape.

(Exact points not the same as in C4F, but fair to put all at same category if that's the case in real life.)