March 2021

[Gipfelstuermer]

Link for luques to upload PDF

http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/march2021.pdf

FINALIZED

To design:

-Per sempre Alfredo
-Gent Wevelgem
-Dwars door Vlaanderen

[Gipfelstuermer]

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... _2021_et_1
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km134


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... _2021_et_2
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km176


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... _2021_et_3
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km1


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... _2021_et_4
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km164


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... _2021_et_5
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km192


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... _2021_et_6
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km180


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... _2021_et_7
Type: Mountain
Min-Tact: km144


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... _2021_et_8
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km62

[Pokemon Club]

Catalunya 2021 is the parcours than Catalunya 2020


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... atalunya20


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... cataluny20


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... atalunya20


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... atalunya20


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... atalunya20


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... atalunya20


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... atalunya20

[Gipfelstuermer]

Ok, I did Tirreno as below. KOM and IS to be updated later.


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 21_stage_1
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km140
Note: RKL, I re-did Monte Pitoro as +6 +7 +6 as compared to last year +5 +5 +5 +4 based on climbbybike chart. No problem if you disagree, I can change it. But it was the only source I found to be detailed enough. (and GPS-data also gave me something steeper than 5% on average (actually +4 +7 +7)


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 21_stage_2
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km214


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 21_stage_3
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km178


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 21_stage_4
Type: Mountain
Min-Tact: km92


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 21_stage_5
Type: Hilly
Min-Tact: km180


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 21_stage_6
Type: Flat
Min-Tact: km148


http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... 21_stage_7
Type: ITT
Min-Tact: km1

[Pokemon Club]

Link for luques to upload PDF

http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/march2021.pdf

The link doesn't work

[Gipfelstuermer]

The link doesn't work

No no, it will only work after luques uploads a PDF (which he usually only does by mid of the month).

But as I started designing, wanted to start a thread...

[Pokemon Club]

The link doesn't work

No no, it will only work after luques uploads a PDF (which he usually only does by mid of the month).

But as I started designing, wanted to start a thread...

ok!

[luques]

PDF is UP

[Robyklebt]

Times?

PN-TA only twice, last year was 3, this year with the flash-non flash transition.... probably safer to go with 2 each.

Catalunya 4.... better down to 3 because there are important classics parallel?

De Panne staying at 3... it's part of the "kind of World tour" since a few years, the one that WT teams don't have to participate, at least I think it's part of that WT.... so normally would be 4 at least, but somehow... even if last year most of the WT TEams started, many with weaker line ups. So stay at 3? Or up to 4 better? Hm, now that I think of it, if the Frankfurt thing is 4 (mostly because it's in Germany I guess), then this one should be 4 too!

Denain: Is in the cancelled list, in-season, so will be ridden. But keep the category (3) or go down one (so 2) because it's already cancelled before our calendar is finalized?

[Bear]

I would be ok with 2 each for PN and TA. Stages are kind of similar so should be something for everyone. BUT it could be difficult for some teams to find a possible time...?

Catalunya maybe 3 ok for me too but could be hard to find the best time in the evening as there is always early and late evening.

De Panne... I dont know.

Denain... I prefer a little cat 2... but would like to have a cat 3 win as well

[Robyklebt]

2+2 might indeed make it difficult for some to ride... but 3+2 or 2+3 isn't any good either IMO, why offer one once more?
3+3..... might work, might, if the new version is done by then, if not too many guys used this time to detoxicate, or even if it stays as it is, with the go arounds the flash version still works, others might get used to the combination new version app, brave souls do pure new version, but there's a risk we end up with 6 times 5 teams, then having 4 times 7 (and 2 that can't ride) somehow seems more fun... Plus I sent Luques both proposals, 2+2/3+3, since he's the best judge to where the new version will be in a month up to him to decide, he went for 2+2, so IMO that's probably the way to go.

Catalunya 3 would be 22 for the evening most likely. The problem is more the poor afternoon, that most likely would be cut.. sniff. 10-18-22 or better 10-17-22 to give the later afternoons a chance to ride. Or 11-17-22 to give the early afternoon a slightly better chance to ride?

Denain, my first instinct says down 1 too, but then what do we do if more important races are cancelled too (ok, would be postponed again most likely, but might end up cancelled like PR last year....) Romandie or TdS cancelled again, do we go down to 3? Somehow for those staying at 4 seems nicer to me, so probably after all I'm for keeping it at 3.... but not really sure.

Pretty sure about De Panne 4 though, if Frankfurt is 4, then De Panne is the same, should have a better starting line up. Less historical prestige, yes, but startlists count too.

[Hansa]

I like 2+2 times. Tours are not that different and we can get a good participation in all editions.

Catlunya 3 or 4 editions both ok for me even with parallel races.

Categorie i would say if we decide to ride something we should simply keep the categorie like it would be.

[Bear]

Denain, my first instinct says down 1 too, but then what do we do if more important races are cancelled too (ok, would be postponed again most likely, but might end up cancelled like PR last year....) Romandie or TdS cancelled again, do we go down to 3? Somehow for those staying at 4 seems nicer to me, so probably after all I'm for keeping it at 3.... but not really sure.

Good point. So better stay with cat 3 as we would not downgrade the really big races as well.

[GreenMotion]

when will there be another TTT?

Best regards

[Pokemon Club]

when will there be another TTT?

Best regards

Hum no idea, depends about what race organizations propose. Not impossible there is no TTT before months.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Catalunya 3 would be 22 for the evening most likely. The problem is more the poor afternoon, that most likely would be cut.. sniff. 10-18-22 or better 10-17-22 to give the later afternoons a chance to ride. Or 11-17-22 to give the early afternoon a slightly better chance to ride?

Doesn't change much for me as I ride either afternoon or evening or late evening, so late morning (10/11) / early evening (17/18/19) both not possible. Anyway, I will probably prefer the classics

But maybe some others have opinions about the afternoon? That could help to make the decision... If not, for me acceptable to drop it to allow 10-18-22 (as parallel program is good).

It wouldn't be a new concept, btw. UAE also only 3 times as there is a classic in parallel... But, doesn't always have to be afternoon edition that gets cut. Morning isn't much stronger than afternoon at the moment.

Pretty sure about De Panne 4 though, if Frankfurt is 4, then De Panne is the same, should have a better starting line up. Less historical prestige, yes, but startlists count too.

Yep, De Panne definitely Cat. 4 (no need to do same mistake as last year to put it Cat.3....)

[flockmastoR]

My opinion: If you cut the afternoon make it at least 10 for the morning, 11 is a very special starting time for a tour (for me)

[Robyklebt]

when will there be another TTT?

Best regards

1 day ITT and TTT for the moment are off.... seems didn't work in the new version yet. For Tours, can't be helped, time-travel other work arounds, but no need to put something online as a 1 day race that we know doesn'^t work in the new version yet.
Or has it been solved? When it works again, we'll get one day fantasy TTT soon.

Catalunya: No more opinions it seems? Will probably propose 2 options to Luq, he knows best how far the new version will be end of March. If 3 editions probably 10-17-21/22. 17 even though it's generally a bad time at least it gives some of the afternoon guys a better chance to ride it. 21/22 actually 21 seems almost better after rethinking it....

[CircleCycle]

Team Pro afternoon edition of Catalunya! Maybe 4 Editions are possible?

[Robyklebt]

Luques decision on this one... He knows when the new version will be the default, how far he will be when etc best.

With our numbers right now..... IMO 3 probably better, 4+4 we risk having lots of very small groups. With 3+4 slightly better?

[Weezel]

Catalunya 3 would be 22 for the evening most likely. The problem is more the poor afternoon, that most likely would be cut.. sniff. 10-18-22 or better 10-17-22 to give the later afternoons a chance to ride. Or 11-17-22 to give the early afternoon a slightly better chance to ride?

Doesn't change much for me as I ride either afternoon or evening or late evening, so late morning (10/11) / early evening (17/18/19) both not possible. Anyway, I will probably prefer the classics

But maybe some others have opinions about the afternoon? That could help to make the decision... If not, for me acceptable to drop it to allow 10-18-22 (as parallel program is good).

It wouldn't be a new concept, btw. UAE also only 3 times as there is a classic in parallel... But, doesn't always have to be afternoon edition that gets cut. Morning isn't much stronger than afternoon at the moment.

I don't understand, why the new trend is ignoring the afternoon, who has a good amount of teams for tours or single races.
Actually Tour UAE is 10/19/22, there is a long break in the afternoon and afterwards there are two races in between three hours.
Fair would be something like 10/15-16/21.
I really would like to see PN or TA for the afternoon, we have a nice coffee and cake field there.
Catalunya maybe 11/16/21?

[Hansa]

TA is at 14h thats afternoon i think

[Robyklebt]

Still waiting for Luques for the Catalunya decision.....


Assume the rest won't change, so start putting stuff on today.



MSR, no Turchino this year, the Colle del Giovo no siebkm.

End just copied the % from last year. Of course 3 of the climbs could be done in many different ways (and we have done them differently)
Capo Berta 5 5 (possibly there's a 6 in there, but probably 5 5 simulates it better, haven't heard of a sprinter dropped there
Cipressa 5 4 6 5 2 1 (so not the up to the point to the tunnel version by Aux, sorry, the one with a 9 )
Poggio 5 4 4 1

So what we had last year.

[luques]

Updated, didn't like 17, seemed to me there were too many 17/18 tours so switched to 16.

[Hansa]

Updated, didn't like 17, seemed to me there were too many 17/18 tours so switched to 16.

TA and PN now both 3 times instead of 2? They are alreaey uploaded as 2 and 2 times